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Poll Question: Which artist have you discussed more at PA?
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    Posted: November 04 2008 at 17:53
Well, I have to say Wyatt's still putting out good original albums, but I don't know about Phil.  Any Phil phans care to enlighten me (not a Phil hater BTW) (yet too lazy to do the research LOL) ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2008 at 16:56
Phil did the drumming on some of my favourite albums ever, and I feel that Genesis could not have had a better secondary vocalist. His lead vocals occasionally don't work for me, but Wyatt's don't hit either in some cases, and both have done great stuff. I'd say Wyatt's probably the better singer and songwriter, though. So, Phil gets the vote. Just.

Ahehe... reading skills, yes?

Discussed Phil more, by a fair margin. Talked about Wyatt a bit in the SR, and the what're you listening to? thread, but that's it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2008 at 15:16
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

The question is: which artist have you mentioned or discussed more at PA?  Based on recollection.

And I mean specifically talked about: just mentioning projects they were in is not enough, but posting in a topic about either one specifically is.

Since you put the question so specifically, the answer is neither; I haven't been on the forums that long and don't remember having talked about either specifically.

That said, if I had been here longer and had even had the chance to talk about those two guys, the answer would certainly be Collins: I hold him in high regard not only for his work with Genesis, but also with Brand X, for the one track he did with Mike Oldfield, for various other session work and also, to a certain extent, for his solo career!

That's not to say I don't acknowledge Wyatt. While I've never really been a big Soft Machine fan, I seriously like his album Rock Bottom; that alone would be enough for me to hold him in high regard. (Admittedly, the only other solo albums of his that I've heard are The End Of An Ear and Shleep, neither of which I remember much about!)

But yeah, broadly speaking, Collins. He's an amazing drummer and singer and songwriter and entertainer and his solo output is not nearly as bad as some prog fans would have it. (Still voted neither since the question was worded so specifically.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2008 at 15:05
I'm here just to name a winner:

Well, answering the question: Wyatt, I like him and I discuss him more than Collins, because I don't like Collins. The few times I've discussed Collins, was for bashing him LOL (hum, that makes me wonder if I've talked more about Collins...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 16:54
Originally posted by bang! bang! wrote:

for cockney w**ker? collins, hands down. for every other thing from singer to drummer to songwriter to artist to human being?....... how can you DARE to ask this question????


Well, it is a silly question (just an excuse for an oranges and lemons poll), but I see Collins mentioned more than Wyatt, and there is much more heated debate involving Collins' career than Wyatt's.  If it weren't for Genesis, and Brand X to a lesser extent, I don't think Collins would get much respect (or scorn) around these parts, but Wyatt would be still be considered grandly if Soft Machine and Matching Mole was not taken into account -- mind you, their paths would have been different had those projects not happened, so not much point in thinking about that.

A different poll I considered that involved these artists was:

Flaming Youth vs. The Wilde Flowers
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 13:34
I would guess I discuss Wyatt more...I don't care enough about Genesis or PC to discuss them with any regularity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 13:25
Well I suppose in an actual fight Phil could always tip Robert over. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 05:44
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I get tired of people slamming Phil because his solo stuff became commercial.
He's twice the drummer & singer that Robert Wyatt ever was.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 05:42
twice the drummer? what do you need from drums? robert wyatt is to phil collins what elvin jones is to gene krupa. no, you wouldn't wany wyatt in your friday night bar cover band, singing OR drumming, but if you were an actual composer of actual music, who would you want interpreting your work? please.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 05:32

Im a canterbury nut so i whuld gues its Wyatt, or i hope that caus hes much more intresting and worthy of discution.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 02:52
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

I get tired of people slamming Phil because his solo stuff became commercial.
He's twice the drummer & singer that Robert Wyatt ever was.
 
He WAS twice the drummer that Wyatt was.
 
Maybe half again the singer.
 
But not even close to touching Wyatt as a solo artist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 01:56
for cockney w**ker? collins, hands down. for every other thing from singer to drummer to songwriter to artist to human being?....... how can you DARE to ask this question????
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 18:43
Collins. I never discussed Wyatt, even though I like some of his music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 18:30
By the way, I think Wyatt and the primate resemble each other more, but I like Wyatt's solo music much better. Tongue  Saw a brief clip from Calamity in the A History of Genesis video.  Phil had his prog phase, I wonder if it's over?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 16:37
more trivia---Collins played the Artful Dodger in stage plays as a teenager, and also was in a movie called Calamity the Cow as a teenager.
 
Collins wins.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 16:31
^ Lamest post ever! (with the possible exception of this one).

Today I have mentioned Collins name more than Wyatt.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2007 at 13:02
^ Ha-ha, Micky, seems to me that both could benefit from a nasal extension (Jackson much more of course; he may lack a nose, but at least he has the hair extensions).

The old false nose trick.



Or with a little proboscic surgery and fur extensions, Phil could look like this:



Or is that a before surgery shot?  I forget.  I suddenly have a strong urge to pump up that saggy nose with some air guitar; looks so deflated.

Wyatt wins in the "honker" category; blow that horn.



On second thought, this Phil Collins (see link HERE) wins in the trumpet category.

Collins was a model, incidentally, early in his life, and I was just being silly earlier in this post, of course.  So no flaming... youth.  More trivia: Collins had been in a a band as a teen called Flaming Youth (one of the worst band names I've heard): See a video of Flaming Youth here --> CLICK "You may think it sentimental crap" (to quote Wyatt from "O Caroline") but I rather like it.  An auger of things to come.

*gets the sinking feeling that with this post might be the ultimate thread-killer*  As an excuse for an oranges and lemons poll (both citrus fruit and both can be enjoyed), I feel that I approached the "Vander or Shuldiner" poll more satisfyingly.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 22:36
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I really don't know how anyone can resist that lovable face.


hahhaha.. yeah.... a national treasure indeed...


and what is our national treasure...hmmm...

how about a ..errr... face off.... 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 22:33
Originally posted by Szyzgy Szyzgy wrote:


Right said Fred


another one down on the unofficial list of bands you would never expect to find mentioned here at PA's LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 22:31
^ I really don't know how anyone can resist that lovable face.
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