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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 02 2005
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 11:45 |
johnobvious wrote:
When I first found prog on internet radio, I listened to Progressive Soundscapes. They were playing DT and some other bands that I was just getting into at the time and I thought, hey this is great. But then they would put on a 20 minute ambient-electronic thing. No singing, no drums and I would finally go numb from boredom. The Tangerine Dreams and Klaus Shulz's of the world are not for me and I am curious why people like that type of thing.
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Oh, but there are Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze albums with drums. And you don't have to sound like them to play music without drums. It seems you are not so much concerned about music without drums but about music without rhythm. As to why people like them: Their music lets you imagine strange worlds. For Tangerine Dream this is true only up to a certain point though; there is a turning point in their career after which they became completely unlistenable for me; the quality of their albums slowly deteriorated over the time.
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Nightfly
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 12:35 |
I'm a Drummer myself so have a natural byass towards them but there's still lots of great music I can appreciate that doesn't have any. What I do have a problem with though is Programmed Drums/ Drum machines etc, to the point that if I'm considering buying an album and I notice it's not a real Drummer I'll usually pass.
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Dim
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Joined: April 17 2007
Location: Austin TX
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 18:00 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Some of my favorite drumless albums:
I think it's absolutely childish and silly to disqualify music you haven't heard just because of the presence or lack of a specific instrument.
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Agreed
I think it's actually pretty arrogant.
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rileydog22
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Joined: August 24 2005
Location: New Jersey
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 18:06 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
Some of my favorite drumless albums:
I think it's absolutely childish and silly to disqualify music you haven't heard just because of the presence or lack of a specific instrument.
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Agreed
I think it's actually pretty arrogant. |
I agree with that. Oh, and you get three bonus points for correct spelling.
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johnobvious
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Location: Nebraska
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Posted: January 11 2008 at 19:04 |
ABSOLUTELY Childish and silly? I guess I better listen to the latest 50 cent. Since I haven't heard it, I might like it even though that isn't my type of music. I'm pretty sure he doesn't use mellotron so I disqualified it. Back to Romper Room for me.
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Nigel66
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 08:33 |
I voted "Some is good - some is bad". In general, I like my music with vocals, guitars, bass, keyboards and drums. There are examples that I like with one or several of these elements missing. As regards no drums, I give you: *** Genesis - Entangled ***
In my opinion this drumless track is one of the greatest pieces of music ever recorded.
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A B Negative
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 08:47 |
BaldFriede wrote:
As to why people like them: Their music lets you imagine strange worlds.
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BF is right. Tangerine Dream and Schulze make (for want of a better word) meditative music. Some people like it, some prefer Dream Theater.
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Norbert
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 08:49 |
Music can be great regardless which instruments are used.
So some drumless pieces are definitevely good.
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The Pessimist
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Joined: June 13 2007
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 17:04 |
The middle section in Free Hand - Gentle Giant is probably one of my favourite instrumentals, and it is drumless. I also listen to classical and acoustic music, so it'll have to be option 3 for me.
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Syzygy
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Posted: March 18 2008 at 18:13 |
BaldFriede wrote:
johnobvious wrote:
When I first found prog on internet radio, I listened to Progressive Soundscapes. They were playing DT and some other bands that I was just getting into at the time and I thought, hey this is great. But then they would put on a 20 minute ambient-electronic thing. No singing, no drums and I would finally go numb from boredom. The Tangerine Dreams and Klaus Shulz's of the world are not for me and I am curious why people like that type of thing. |
Oh, but there are Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze albums with drums. And you don't have to sound like them to play music without drums. It seems you are not so much concerned about music without drums but about music without rhythm.
As to why people like them: Their music lets you imagine strange worlds. For Tangerine Dream this is true only up to a certain point though; there is a turning point in their career after which they became completely unlistenable for me; the quality of their albums slowly deteriorated over the time.
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Bang on the money as always, Friede! It's also worth pointing out that Klaus Schulze started out as a drummer (with Ash Ra Tempel), as did Chris Franke of Tangerine Dream (check out side 1 of Green Desert).
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