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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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It is quite impossible to speak of rock music in Country: Prog genre: PROTO-PROG/PSYCHEDELIC/SYMPHONIC/ECLECTIC/CROSSOVER Official Website: NO OFFICIAL WEBSITE Artist/band biography: The original formation, made up by Miguel Artur da Silveira (drums), José Cid (vocals and keyboards) and brothers António Moniz Pereira (guitar) and Jorge Moniz Pereira (bass guitar), began work as a garage-band. In 1967 they get radio airplay with the theme “A Lenda d’El Rei D. Sebastião”. Shortly after they launched their first EP. The time spent between their first EP and their first LP was spent producing other EP’s and singles, as well as taking part in a national Song Contest. 1970 sees the launch of the band’s homonymous debut album, a psychedelic-pop conceptual piece dealing with racism and emigration. The dictatorship’s censoring machine has the album withdrawn the very same week of its launch. After this event, the band lauched further singles, this time sung in English as to better evade censorship. After a great commercial success with the singles “Back to the Country” and “Ode to The Beatles”, they are asked to appear on the first edition of the now famous Vilar de Mouros music festival, along with popular names from the Portuguese traditional music scene, such as Amália Rodrigues, but from the international scene as well, such as Elton John and Manfred Mann. It was in this encounter with Manfred Mann that Cid first got to know the Moog. After a few changes in line-up, the band, still under the eye of the censorship, records it’s second LP with a popular Portuguese singer, Frei Hermano da Câmara. Cid decides to leave the group after the album, but reunites with the band after the revolution that reinstated democracy in In mid eighties the original band got together for a few performances and managed to put out one final single in 1987, “Memo”. Quarteto 1111 have a short but varied career. The began by playing a kind of psychelic pop in the vein of Brazilian acts like Ronnie Von and Os Mutantes, while their later work is closer to Symphonic Rock and the path José Cid would follow with the single "Vida" and the album "10.000 Anos Depois Entre Vénus e Marte".
Discography: QUARTETO 1111 (1970) BRUMA AZUL DO DESEJADO (with FREI HERMANO DA CÂMARA) (1973) ONDE, QUANDO, COMO, PORQUÊ, CANTAMOS PESSOAS VIVAS (1974)
Nas Terras Do Fim Do Mundo/Bissaide (1969) Génese/Os Monstros Sagrados (1969) Todo O Mundo E Ninguém/É Tempo De Pensar Em Termos De Futuro (1970)
Back To The Country/Everybody Needs Love, Peace And Food (1970)
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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Nice work with the suggestion, you mentioned "song samples available on request". Can we...request them?
![]() Edit #1: Found myself a compilation of singles and EPs. Is that good to be listened (for submission, I mean)? Edit #2: Uhm, nevermind, in the end I've also found some links to their full albums. I'll listen. ![]() Edited by Ricochet - February 16 2008 at 02:37 |
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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Okay, have listened to both albums I've mentioned above.
Shall we try Symphonic Prog? (the singles/EPs, I think, don't have anything to do with prog music, they're early beat, pop, rock music - but their full studio albums sound like real progressive treats; from what I've heard in the beautiful, peaceful, orchestral and progressive Cantamos Pessoas Vivas, Symphonic sounds like a natural style) I haven't managed to listen to anything else, so I can't tell anything about the "psychedelic" music that was mentioned. |
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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They were originally submitted to Symphonic, but the samples we had led us to reject them. Would hearing an entire album change our minds? |
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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I don't know. What did the Team hear, as samples? |
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Philip ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: Porto, Portugal Status: Offline Points: 413 |
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My opinion is that they could only be placed as Symphonic or Ecletic, because the majority of their music is not psychadelic, in terms of activity years they're not Proto-prog, and I don't think they can be classified as Crossover prog.
They were originally submitted to Symphonic, but the samples we had led us to reject them. Would hearing an entire album change our minds?
I think you should listen to the whole album, particularly "Onde, Quando,...", because it's just one song and I consider this one as Symphonic, as i don't think their discography has what's said as being ecletic:
"The term 'eclectic' in the context of progressive rock describes a summation of elements from various musical sources, and the influences and career paths of bands that take from a wide range of genres or styles".
It must not be forgotten the concept in this album: a musical celebration of the freedom that the country had gained (25th April 1974).
Excluding the considerations about what subgenre, I think we agree this band must be listed in PA because Quarteto 1111 is part of the concept that people and critics have of what portuguese prog rock was.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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and in lieu of a whole album.. since I'm sure everyone would hate to see a deserving band not added simply because material is hard to locate... that is when you trust the other forum members.. and also research. First hit on a google seach.... shame this band has been kicked around and forgotten for what...months and months. Quarteto 1111 [Portugal] Updated 6/22/07
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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That's a thing that intrigued me. Quarteto 1111 was "the first symphonic rock band in Portugal", still the Symphonic Team rejected it.
Think Philip's comments are fair. |
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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The 5 songs I sent for evaluation were their first single, "A Lenda d'El Rei D. Sebastião", this one more for its historical importance than prog credentials; their Britain-released single, "Ode to the Beatles", an interesting piece in the vein of Barclay James Harvest's "Titles"; two songs from their first self-titled LP, "A Fuga dos Grilos" and "Pigmentação", which in my view are psychedelic pop (as is the entire album - not much rock in there, rather a great influence by the abovementioned Os Mutantes); finally, side one of their final album "Onde Quando Como Porquê Cantamos Pessoas Vivas", which is an interesting symphonic rock song, similar to a later José Cid single, "Vida - Sons do Quotidiano" (included as a bonus track on his "10000 Anos Depois..." album).
I did not have then their album "Bruma Azul do Desejado", which I have in the meantime heard - it is very much un-prog, a collection of religious hymns sung by a friar and choirs, with the band providing the music (a blend of beat and pop a la Manfredd Mann).
I agree that it is hard to find a spot for them, with three full albums all quite different from each other. But surely one cannot ignore them for lack of a perfect fit in a genre... (this raises once more the problem of labeling bands, instead of albums, but thats a different discussion ![]() Edited by Kotro - February 16 2008 at 15:06 |
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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Well those singles, indeed, don't give confidence on their symphonic side. In fact, they don't give confidence for Prog itself, as I've mentioned. They mark a period of pop, beat, easy 60s psych. Side One (and Side Two) of CPV is, instead, mostly Symphonic. I can say, at this point, that I'll definitely need to hear their psychedelic/different direction in music (perhaps the previous albums to CPV, from 1970-1972?) to consider it an "Eclectic' band. |
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Philip ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: Porto, Portugal Status: Offline Points: 413 |
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"Onde, Quando,..." is only available in the original LP edition, and this is surely their most progressive record, and althought it is very rare and difficult to find legally, (only if you buy the vinyl!!) and surely this way, it is impossible to get it out of Portugal, this is the main argument for the band addition, as the true grandfathers of portuguese Symphonic Rock.
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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I'm pleased to inform that the new label "Do Tempo Do Vinil" (linked with EMI-Valentim de Carvalho) has announced the CD release of "Onde Quando Como Porquê Cantamos Pessoas Vivas" for the 25th of this month. They have already released a reedition of Tantra's "Mistérios e Maravilhas", and have several other portuguese prog albums scheduled for release (Petrus Castrus' Ascensão e Queda should come out also on the 25th February; more albums from Tantra and Banda do Casaco should be released on a thrid phase, not yet scheduled). |
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Philip ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: Porto, Portugal Status: Offline Points: 413 |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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excellent
should probably then put Quarteto 1111 on 'hold' until the teams in question here get ahold of the album. Personally the info like the GEPR blurb I posted plus your all's thoughts would have been enough for me but we all have different standards. Just be patient guys.. they'll be added... unfortunately trying to nail down a spot can be tricky. |
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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Good news from Eclectic Hq., the vote is Yes. The self-titled album (1970) (I listened to that as well) is definitely not
symphonic-wise, mainly because the "Quartet" combine their previous pop
rock/beat music style with hinges of prog rock, psychedelic and minor
folk.
That makes Quarteto 1111 as a whole more than Symphonic, even if the 1975 album (which is mostly Symphonic with a bit of rock and hard rock) sounds like the most important of all. In conclusion, being that symphonic + prog rock + easy psych + pop can result in Eclectic, I'm fine with the addition. I can even add a reason of "classic prog" for them, because Eclectic, in particularly, can accept classic prog rock bands that aren't Symphonic, Canterbury-esque, etc. |
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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Very well thought out Victor. ![]() |
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Philip ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: Porto, Portugal Status: Offline Points: 413 |
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Seeing from this point of view, "it all makes perfect Sense"
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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exactly.... in the end.. .that really is all that matter anyway.. ![]() |
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Philip ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: Porto, Portugal Status: Offline Points: 413 |
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Yeah. That's it. José Cid (the mother), and his former band (the grandfathers) of this family that is the portuguese rock are in here
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