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    Posted: March 02 2008 at 18:56
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy

Originally posted by Atavachron

Originally posted by Cylli Kat

Didja ever notice that you never hear the "rap" about going to church, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing the right thing even when it may hurt, etc.???



firstly, I would bet good money there is some hiphop about all those things

second, who the hell wants to hear about going to church, feeding the hungry and eating vegetables  ..you think early Beatles and Zep fans wanted to hear about that?





tell me where ANYWHERE IN ROCK MUSIC THERE IS ANYTHING OF THIS SORT
and don't say Neal Morse, that one's too obvious


laplace - Be Nice Suite: a) Go to Church; b) Feed the Poor; c) Eat your Greens; d) Self-sacrifice is Totally Neato

Edited by laplace - March 02 2008 at 18:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 19:03
Originally posted by jammun

Hey I am not laughing...did you miss the part where I actually own a pedal-steel.

So who are some of the prog-country bands?


in the culmination of what has been a two year search.... and a running joke between Ivan and me.

 I have found one...

I present to you... Wally.  You have to hear it to believe it LOL

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Wally  (UK)

Wally,%20Wally

Wally  (1974,  40.10)  ***/T

The Martyr
I Just Wanna Be a Cowboy
What to Do
Sunday Walking Lady
To the Urban Man
Your Own Way
Wally,%20Valley%20Gardens

Valley Gardens  (1975,  41.15)  ***/T

Valley Gardens
Nez Percé
The Mood I'm in
The Reason Why
  Nolan

  The Charge
  Disillusion

Current availability:

  • Both titles: Atlantic (Japan)

Wally suffered the rather dubious distinction of being championed by The Old Grey Whistle Test's 'Whispering' Bob Harris, these days known best for being a country music DJ (he sneered at the New York Dolls when they appeared on the Whistle Test, so he was hardly going to go for anything too energetic, was he?). In fact, Wally was produced by Harris and Rick Wakeman, which doesn't exactly inspire much confidence. While the band fitted (very) broadly into the 'progressive' category, there was more than a hint of country/rock about them, especially with Paul Middleton's steel guitar; West Coast Prog, anyone? Actually, the album isn't that bad, just rather forgettable, with a regrettable lack of energy. Paul Gerrett plays Mellotron on one track only, the twelve-minute To The Urban Man, with a string part drifting in and out of the song. Pete Sage's electric violin confuses the issue in places, but it's definitely only the one 'Tron track.

Second (and last) album, Valley Gardens, carries on in a similar vein to their debut, including a side-long track, The Reason Why, which was probably the best thing the band recorded. Gerrett was replaced by Nick Glennie-Smith, who gets marginally more 'Tron in this time round, with strings on the title track and the first part of The Reason Why, Nolan, but it's all pretty minor, to be honest. So; so-so albums, minimal 'Tron. Not that exciting, really, although I've heard an awful lot worse. I believe that's called 'damning with faint praise'. Oh well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 19:09
Originally posted by laplace

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy

Originally posted by Atavachron

Originally posted by Cylli Kat

Didja ever notice that you never hear the "rap" about going to church, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing the right thing even when it may hurt, etc.???



firstly, I would bet good money there is some hiphop about all those things

second, who the hell wants to hear about going to church, feeding the hungry and eating vegetables  ..you think early Beatles and Zep fans wanted to hear about that?





tell me where ANYWHERE IN ROCK MUSIC THERE IS ANYTHING OF THIS SORT
and don't say Neal Morse, that one's too obvious


laplace - Be Nice Suite: a) Go to Church; b) Feed the Poor; c) Eat your Greens; d) Self-sacrifice is Totally Neato


Shocked I thought that was supposed to be on the new album in April
you Censored you have a leaked copy of your own album


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 19:14
Originally posted by micky

Originally posted by jammun

Hey I am not laughing...did you miss the part where I actually own a pedal-steel.

So who are some of the prog-country bands?


in the culmination of what has been a two year search.... and a running joke between Ivan and me.

 I have found one...

I present to you... Wally.  You have to hear it to believe it LOL

from Planet Mellotron

Wally  (UK)

Wally,%20Wally

Wally  (1974,  40.10)  ***/T

The Martyr
I Just Wanna Be a Cowboy
What to Do
Sunday Walking Lady
To the Urban Man
Your Own Way
Wally,%20Valley%20Gardens

Valley Gardens  (1975,  41.15)  ***/T

Valley Gardens
Nez Percé
The Mood I'm in
The Reason Why
  Nolan

  The Charge
  Disillusion

Current availability:

  • Both titles: Atlantic (Japan)

Wally suffered the rather dubious distinction of being championed by The Old Grey Whistle Test's 'Whispering' Bob Harris, these days known best for being a country music DJ (he sneered at the New York Dolls when they appeared on the Whistle Test, so he was hardly going to go for anything too energetic, was he?). In fact, Wally was produced by Harris and Rick Wakeman, which doesn't exactly inspire much confidence. While the band fitted (very) broadly into the 'progressive' category, there was more than a hint of country/rock about them, especially with Paul Middleton's steel guitar; West Coast Prog, anyone? Actually, the album isn't that bad, just rather forgettable, with a regrettable lack of energy. Paul Gerrett plays Mellotron on one track only, the twelve-minute To The Urban Man, with a string part drifting in and out of the song. Pete Sage's electric violin confuses the issue in places, but it's definitely only the one 'Tron track.

Second (and last) album, Valley Gardens, carries on in a similar vein to their debut, including a side-long track, The Reason Why, which was probably the best thing the band recorded. Gerrett was replaced by Nick Glennie-Smith, who gets marginally more 'Tron in this time round, with strings on the title track and the first part of The Reason Why, Nolan, but it's all pretty minor, to be honest. So; so-so albums, minimal 'Tron. Not that exciting, really, although I've heard an awful lot worse. I believe that's called 'damning with faint praise'. Oh well.


 
Umm, Holy sh*te!  Mellotron AND pedal steel?  This I am going to have to check out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 19:19
the two years ...wasn't to discover the group.. Ivan and I found this back in first days of the sympho team.   It took that long to find the music.  Even Greg Walker doesn't carry them. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 19:27

Yep, quick search sez these will be hard if not impossible to find.  Damn.  Ya never know though, looks like they were originally released on Atlantic which gives some hope, since it's not a totally obscure label.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 19:32
Originally posted by jammun

Yep, quick search sez these will be hard if not impossible to find.  Damn.  Ya never know though, looks like they were originally released on Atlantic which gives some hope, since it's not a totally obscure label.



exactly...  for curiosities sake... it is an interesting listen.  But the review is dead on. Now the fun is proposing them to Symphonic LOL Would give anything I have.. but Raffaella's love of course .... .. to see Ivan's expression as he listened to it hahhahahhaha.
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you do have to wonder how they went down ... on THAT bill...

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/reading-75.html
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hmmmm... pretty well I guess  LOL

Double%20Moon,%20Reading%20Festival%201977
The time honoured 'double moon', bravely delivered from the safety of our tent. Heck, I bet a few of us crazy kids were even shouting 'Wally' around the site later too!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 19:57
Originally posted by micky

Originally posted by jammun

Yep, quick search sez these will be hard if not impossible to find.  Damn.  Ya never know though, looks like they were originally released on Atlantic which gives some hope, since it's not a totally obscure label.



exactly...  for curiosities sake... it is an interesting listen.  But the review is dead on. Now the fun is proposing them to Symphonic LOL Would give anything I have.. but Raffaella's love of course .... .. to see Ivan's expression as he listened to it hahhahahhaha.
 
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Hey, look what I found:
 
  • Pete Cosker (electric and acoustic guitars, vocals, bass guitar)
  • Paul Gerrett (fender rhodes, harmonium, grand piano, harpischord, mellotron, hammond organ, vocals)
  • Paul Middleton (steel guitar, bass guitar)
  • Roger Narraway (percussion)
  • Pete Sage (electric violin, bass guitar, mandolin)
  • Roy Webber (lead vocals, acoustic guitar)
  • Electric Violin and Mandolin in the first Wally album, more interested than usual.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 20:36
    Originally posted by micky

    hmmmm... pretty well I guess  LOL


    The time honoured 'double moon', bravely delivered from the safety of our tent. Heck, I bet a few of us crazy kids were even shouting 'Wally' around the site later too!

    Shouting "Wally" at gigs during the 70s was a peculiarly British thing that had nothing to do with the band of the same name, but I believe started when a band (which some rumours and myths have as the progressive blues band Stray) was trying to catch the attention of their sound engineer and kept calling his name from the stage, which prompted the audience to join in the fun. This soon caught on as something to do to pass the time while waiting for the gig to start, much like a mexican wave does today. It is quite possible that the band Wally took their name from this.


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    Hey guys regarding albums with Mellotron and pedal steel, just go on this web site (PA) and type in mellotron pedal steel guitar and you will see quite a few albums, for instance London Underground.

    In addition to that, you might want to check Pete Sinfield's Still album, although I think he uses a Symphoniser (high end Lowrey organ) instead of a Mellotron. You might also want to check Shawn Phillips, an early 70s folk artist who did some long songs that ended up on US progressive rock radio.

    There are probably some country songs from the late 60s and early 70s that use Mellotron instead of strigs. It sure sounds to me like a lot of soul music from this period used Mellotrons. A friend of mine used to work on Isaac Hayes' Mellotron. Isaac was involved in many songs as a producer and writer so I bet his Mellotron shows up on a lot of songs.

    I'm just guessing that there were probably some country songs on a budget that decided to use Mellotron instead of strings.

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    Asleep at the Wheel have been releasing prog country albums since the early 70's.  No mellotron though.  Multi instrumentalist Mark O'Connor has released some progressive country.  Mark was in New Grass Revival and the Dixie Dregs.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2008 at 17:06
    I don't like it
    I've heard it, bue I dont like it
    maybe cause I've heard only 2000's hi-hop, maybe I should listen to 80's hip hop...

    good thread Clap
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2008 at 17:40
    Originally posted by darqDean

    Originally posted by micky

    hmmmm... pretty well I guess  LOL



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    The time honoured 'double moon', bravely delivered from the safety of our tent. Heck, I bet a few of us crazy kids were even shouting 'Wally' around the site later too!

    Shouting "Wally" at gigs during the 70s was a peculiarly British thing that had nothing to do with the band of the same name, but I believe started when a band (which some rumours and myths have as the progressive blues band Stray) was trying to catch the attention of their sound engineer and kept calling his name from the stage, which prompted the audience to join in the fun. This soon caught on as something to do to pass the time while waiting for the gig to start, much like a mexican wave does today. It is quite possible that the band Wally took their name from this.



    ahhhh.. thanks Dean... I guess that explains that then.  LOL
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2008 at 17:43
    Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

    Originally posted by micky

    Originally posted by jammun

    Yep, quick search sez these will be hard if not impossible to find.  Damn.  Ya never know though, looks like they were originally released on Atlantic which gives some hope, since it's not a totally obscure label.



    exactly...  for curiosities sake... it is an interesting listen.  But the review is dead on. Now the fun is proposing them to Symphonic LOL Would give anything I have.. but Raffaella's love of course .... .. to see Ivan's expression as he listened to it hahhahahhaha.
     
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    If you got samples, send them, if I'm a Kansas fan, I have no problem with Country Symph Mellotron.
     
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    I'll get some samples uploaded for you this evening...  to be honest.... I don't think they fit Sympho.. .but what the hell do I know LOL. Since sympho had first dibs on them back then..was submitted to you.... you all get first dibs...if you reject... just let me know and I'll find a home for them under the AR blanket I'm sure.
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    Anyone like the rap in "Roll the Bones" by Rush...now that's classic Big%20smile
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