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    Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:06
Is is just me or is it about, um, sex? If I am wrong, do not laugh at me, I was not raised in an English speaking family and might not understand the true meaning of the song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:14
hmm i dont think so, but hopefully some bigger genesis fans will be able to clear this one up.

there is a lyric, "i will make my bed tonight with her" that might have thrown you to think its about sex but i dont think it is. Sounds like its about love to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:24
Home from work our Juliet
Clears her morning meal
She dabs her skin with pretty smells
Concealing to appeal
I will make my bed
She said, but turned to go
Can she be late for her Cinema show ?
Cinema show ?

Romeo locks his basement flat
And scurries up the stair

With head held high and floral tie
A weekend millionaire
I will make my bed
With her tonight, he cries
Can he fail, armed with his chocolate surprise ?
Take a little trip back with Father Tiresias

Listen to the old one speak of all he has lived through
I have crossed between the poles, for me there's no mystery
Once a man, like the sea I raged
Once a woman, like the earth I gave
And there is in fact more earth than sea

Take a little trip back with Father Tiresias
Listen to the old one speak of all he has lived through
I have crossed between the poles, for me there's no mystery
Once a man, like the sea I raged
Once a woman, like the earth I gave
And there is in fact more earth than sea
Sounds really like it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:30
Romeo locks his basement flat
And scurries up the stair

maybe hes gonna get some hehe
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:33

Perhaps Gabriel meant that men don't give out enough sperm?

Once a man, like the sea I raged
Once a woman, like the earth I gave
And there is in fact more earth than sea

You could only guess.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 13:49
i can see that, but you mite be looking into it too deeply, sounds like a big reference to shakespeare to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:05

Or did he mean that there were more women than men in the 15th century in Italy?

My head is going to explode if I am going to think of just ONE more idea.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:43
Boy buys chocolates for girl..... takes girl to Cinema..and later gets laid.....probably.Well it beats giant computer takes over world and fights humanity in one last apocalyptic battle...I suppose.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:53
Now that you mention it, it makes sense. I never noticed that before. I guess you do learn new things everyday.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 14:56

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:03
Originally posted by Syzygy

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

The Tiresias lines were actually written by Peter Gabriel, when most of the song was already composed by Banks and Rutherford.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:23
Originally posted by Syzygy

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

That's prog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:40
Originally posted by richardh

Boy buys chocolates for girl..... takes girl to Cinema..and later gets laid.....probably.Well it beats giant computer takes over world and fights humanity in one last apocalyptic battle...I suppose.
I`d prefer to see giant man in rubber monster costume takes over the world.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 15:44

Originally posted by richardh

Boy buys chocolates for girl..... takes girl to Cinema..and later gets laid.....probably.Well it beats giant computer takes over world and fights humanity in one last apocalyptic battle...I suppose.

 

Hey i dunno about that Richard,no supposing.

Shagging in an un-tidy beds not too good either.Just hope he's slapping that chocolate in the appropriate places.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 16:47

It's from this passage of "The Waste Land":

 

At the violet hour, when the eyes and back  215
Turn upward from the desk, when the human engine waits  
Like a taxi throbbing waiting,  
I Tiresias, though blind, throbbing between two lives,  
Old man with wrinkled female breasts, can see  
At the violet hour, the evening hour that strives  220
Homeward, and brings the sailor home from sea,  
The typist home at teatime, clears her breakfast, lights  
Her stove, and lays out food in tins.  
Out of the window perilously spread  
Her drying combinations touched by the sun's last rays,  225
On the divan are piled (at night her bed)  
Stockings, slippers, camisoles, and stays.  
I Tiresias, old man with wrinkled dugs  
Perceived the scene, and foretold the restó  
I too awaited the expected guest.  230
He, the young man carbuncular, arrives,  
A small house agent's clerk, with one bold stare,  
One of the low on whom assurance sits  
As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.  
The time is now propitious, as he guesses,  235
The meal is ended, she is bored and tired,  
Endeavours to engage her in caresses  
Which still are unreproved, if undesired.  
Flushed and decided, he assaults at once;  
Exploring hands encounter no defence;  240
His vanity requires no response,  
And makes a welcome of indifference.  
(And I Tiresias have foresuffered all  
Enacted on this same divan or bed;  
I who have sat by Thebes below the wall  245
And walked among the lowest of the dead.)  
Bestows on final patronising kiss,  
And gropes his way, finding the stairs unlit...  
 
She turns and looks a moment in the glass,  
Hardly aware of her departed lover;  250
Her brain allows one half-formed thought to pass:  
'Well now that's done: and I'm glad it's over.'  
When lovely woman stoops to folly and  
Paces about her room again, alone,  
She smoothes her hair with automatic hand,  255
And puts a record on the gramophone.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:25
David Palmer was a fan of Tiresias

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 20:30
Originally posted by goose

Originally posted by Syzygy

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

That's prog!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 21:41

Originally posted by The-Bullet

David Palmer was a fan of Tiresias

Harsh...

....but absolutely, terribly funny!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 13:12
Originally posted by Syzygy

The lyrics weren't by Gabriel, they were a more or less direct quotation from T.S. Eliot courtesy of Rutherford and Banks, and yes of course the lyrics are about nudey prod games. Tiresias was a figure in Roman (or possibly Greek) mythology, who lived for 7 years as a man and 7 years as a woman (forget why, but it was probably some god's idea of a joke). That was how he 'crossed between the poles' and gained such a great insight into the human condition - 'for me there's no mystery'.

That's the kind of song you get when a bunch of classically educated public schoolboys form a rock band.

 

That's a great thing to know, where do you find stuff like this? I want to understand other prog sounds like that as well? Is there any source that explains things or is it your solid education?

Also, I had fun laughing at the last sentence.

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