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    Posted: March 07 2008 at 02:02
I dunno, probably a fast part.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 01:51
^ I don't think that music quality is sacrificed here ... rather the reverse. But of course that's for everyone to decide. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 22:36
I like Gildenlow's performance quite a lot, but it would be perfect if the instrumentation would move me.

Gildenlow's ranks among my all-time favorite metal vocals, and appears very emotional to me due to the very organic sound of the band. 100110101 sounds very artificial and synthetic, but of course, it fits the concept.

I think a problem I have with this disc is that the concept plays a higher role than the music. The overemphasis on the story (which is definitively complex, as you pointed out connections with other Ayreon albums) brought all the qualities of the album that I pointed out negatively in my review. I just want a story that doesn't sacrifice music quality.

"The Human Equation" was much better at this and while I grew out of it, I still would call it a solid 3-star album that balances more the music and the concept.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 01:50
^ I even agree with that to a certain extent ... theoretically these alien creatures have lost their emotions so they should sing in a very cold and sterile way. But that would really be boring, so I can understand why Arjen would not implement it that way. But it's true, some of them exaggerate the emotions a bit (particularly Lande and Gildenlow). Most of the others are perfect though IMO (particularly Anneke van Giersbergen and Jonas Renske).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2008 at 15:47
oh, I wrote it wrong. I said "bad lyrics , vocals" ... I meant that I didn't enjoy the lyrics and I didn't enjoy the vocals, but I meant how the vocals were arranged, not the voice of the singers.

There are great singers around, even the dude from Pain of Salvation takes a big role. I just don't like the vocal arrangements, melodies, and the 'dramatic' way they tend sing, but I can't deny almost every vocalist here is top-notch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2008 at 09:18
^ "subpar vocals"? I can't imagine how the vocals could be improved in any way. Jorn Lande is a nearly perfect singer, as are most of the others on the album ... strong voices, perfect technique etc.. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2008 at 08:37
Well, I guess I got the interpretation of "Web of Lies" half-wrong. I know it has to have a negative connotation on the plot, but maybe it could have been done on a different angle or with different lyrics.

When I heard it, I instantly thought that the song was about long-distance relationships. A guy and a girl meeting on something like eharmony or a forum where each of them disclosed very very limited info of each other (Mr.X being a forum nickname for example). So due to the plot, Eternity's plan isn't all peachy: we're building a relationship without meeting, falling in love without contact, talking thru a technological machine and falling in love with an avatar.

You interpretation is of course valid, I didn't think of it that way but it makes sense and it's sadly so true. So, you're saying it also implies to people (not necessarily kids, as the singers imply they're at least 20) living in the same city. Their inability to communicate would be using emails instead of using the phone (but that's also technological) and they would learn about each other by "searching the net" (what does that mean anyways, if anyone puts my name, I'm non-existent ... unless i end up using the "Zitro" when talking and they start talking me in this forum) or do you mean instead of just meeting and communicating how it's supposed to be? However the lyrics "I'm dying for a date" imply that the guy at least would want to meet ASAP outside internet.

Anyways, In my review I did not really bush the story. It's pretty complex and while I said it's a bit cheesy, it's not bad and predicted some would find it interesting. I just think the story is wasted due to subpar lyrics, vocals, and the instrumental part of the album not 'taking me' to this story.

I simply do not enjoy it, but it's an album impossible to hate.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2008 at 03:13
^ I guess the problem with 01011001 might be its length - compared to Rush's Cygnus. Of course The Human Equation also was a 2 disc release, but its story line was more straight forward and didn't contain any references to other Ayreon albums (except for one short occasion Big%20smile). This may cause people who only listened to the previous Ayreon albums on a rather superficial level - paying more attention to the music than to the lyrics - to get bored easily, while those who know the underlying story in and out can really enjoy 01011001.

Just a few examples of the lyrical and musical links (warning: spoiler ahead):

  • 01011001 is the ASCII code for the letter "Y". This is a reference to the planet Y which was introduced on Universal Migrator: Flight of the Migrator.
  • In the beginning of Web of Lies in the background another Ayreon tune can be heard: Valley of the Queens from Into the Electric Castle. Interestingly both Web of Lies and Valley of the Queens have the same role on the record: An interlude-like melancholic acoustic ballad with female vocals.
  • In Waking Dreams, after the Tomas Bodin solo Arjen is playing a guitar solo which is very similar to the solo from The Dream Sequencer. Of course this is not a coincidence, considering the topics of both tracks.
  • The Truth is In Here obviously deals with what happened to the hippie character from Into the Electric Castle - he ends up in an asylum on heavy medication because of his hallucinations.
  • River of Time is curious ... musically it sounds a lot like Loser from THE - at least the intro - and lyrically it's close to the first Ayreon album, as it - together with the following two tracks - describes the attempts of the alien race to send visions of mankind's impending doom backwards in time.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2008 at 02:44
Yeah I read all about the plot, both in the CD and elsewhere before I reviewed it, and while I have not followed this story on the albums, I also knew nothing of Rush's Cygnus saga when I first heard Hemispheres way back in the 70s, but still liked the album    ..but I can see how a long time Ayreon fan could find this new installment quite satisfying, which is why I wrote a balanced and fair - though ultimately negative - review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2008 at 02:22
I'm simply sure that the album is a masterpiece ... two of the biggest problems people seem to have with it are that it's similar in style to the previous albums, and that it's a bit lengthy and drawn out, particularly the songs on the first CD. I know that these two things are intentional, they're part of the concept. The first side of the album is about an alien race for which time doesn't exist ... "they are forever of the stars". One of the songs is even called "Liquid *Eternity*". And those who are avid followers of Arjen's concept will know both the planet Y and this alien race from the previous albums. I like the concept so much that I won't go into detail here, in order not to spoil the experience of finding out about it for others. Suffice it to say that all Ayreon albums except for Actual Fantasy are part of the same concept.

Of course me calling it a masterpiece doesn't mean that everybody *must* like the album. Trout Mask Replica is a masterpiece for many people too, and absolutely loathed by others. The two albums may very well represents extremes on the opposite of the spectrum ... Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2008 at 02:00
OK Mike, fair enough, maybe sometime I'll give it another chance
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2008 at 01:57
^ I really didn't mean to offend you. I simply think that some statements in your review are a bit presumptuous ... they suggest to me that you might not have given the album the enough time to get to know it properly. By "wrong reasons" I meant misunderstandings or false impressions ...

I will try to find the time to post my own review this week. I think it's necessary to counter-weight some of the current reviews, particularly the special collab ones. Zitro's one also seems strange to me - the first paragraph shows that he understood the concept pretty well, but then he bashes the song "Web of Lies" ... and apparently doesn't understand that it's meant to be an ironic depiction of the new generation of "computer kids" and their inability to communicate ... he seems to think that it's meant to be a romantic love song.

Laplace's review ... well, at least his star rating is honest and matches what he's saying about the album. I hope in his quest for the perfect music he finds what he's looking for ... my recommendation would be the random static noise on a tv set with no channel set. Totally unpredictable, and none of this dreadful 7/8 cheese.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 20:37
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

it is impressive, it also bored the hell out of me



I only needed to read the first few sentences of your review to realize that you simply don't know what it's about. Maybe it would be better to pay a little more attention to the lyrics before you make bold statements like "an idea with as much depth as a tuna sandwich". If anything your review suggests that you simply don't know much about Ayreon.

No offense intended, you're free to dislike Ayreon ... I'm just quite sure that you dislike it for the wrong reasons.


what are the right reasons to dislike it?

c'mon Mike, I give good reasons in my review (which 3 stars by the way) for my reaction to it.. don't be so personally offended by a disagreement--  I also notice no review from you--  Put your damn money on tyhe table and tell us what you think of a record before bad-mouthing fellow Collabs  ..especially a big supporter of metal like me  






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 09:05
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

it is impressive, it also bored the hell out of me



I only needed to read the first few sentences of your review to realize that you simply don't know what it's about. Maybe it would be better to pay a little more attention to the lyrics before you make bold statements like "an idea with as much depth as a tuna sandwich". If anything your review suggests that you simply don't know much about Ayreon.

No offense intended, you're free to dislike Ayreon ... I'm just quite sure that you dislike it for the wrong reasons.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 08:58
^ I recognized all three of them instantly ... of course Romeo's solo is quite short and there's only one trademark legato/tapping lick which unmistakeably gives him away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 08:45
To be honest, Michael Romeo's solo is pretty invisible on this album, he doesnt stand out at all IMO, not like on Dawn of a Million Souls were I could instantly tell it was him without havin to check.

Derek Sherinians solo on The Fifth Extinction is quite good though, his keyboard tone is always  rather unique.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 02:52
Originally posted by Zitro Zitro wrote:

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And before you ask: Waking Dreams, 3:30.



But isn't that Tomas Bodin (Flower Kings)?  I'm a fan of his and I easily recognize that it is him, not Derek.


of course. I just figured that this would be the next question ("where's Tomas Bodin's solo?").Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 00:59
it is impressive, it also bored the hell out of me

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2008 at 00:29
impressive CD I thought seems theres some mixed reactions to it though.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2008 at 18:50
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And before you ask: Waking Dreams, 3:30.



But isn't that Tomas Bodin (Flower Kings)?  I'm a fan of his and I easily recognize that it is him, not Derek.
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