Strawberry Fields Forever Progressive Rock?

When will psychedelic pop/rock stop being confused with progressive rock? (And folks know my opinion of the term proto-prog). 

It was the egg if not quite the chicken.  The big albums of 67 were the foreplay. 

NaturalScience wrote: Apparently it is.   http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13081

Certainly wasn't at the time of release

I believe Strawberry fields was written by the Beatles?


Oh go ask Robert Fripp this silly question and you will get the obvious answer.

Rank1 wrote: A Day In the Life-  Sorry Mr. Heath this is progressive rock in my book  the drumming very complex. The Bass and piano sound is very inventive. The orchestra, the final chord at the end, also tack on the hidden track Benefit of Mr, Kite.- IMO is progressive rock the samples on this song make it sounds like a synth. The drumming is solid,  great bass and a electroacoustic solo

A Day in the Life was a progression of what the band had been doing for years, as was Mr Kite, but to call it progressive rock is a bit like calling Cream heavy metal

I've always questioned whether 'I Talk to the Wind' is a prog song..   mainly because it's a kitsch GG&F pop tune that happens to be on a record many consider to be the first prog work

BaldJean wrote: Atavachron wrote: I've always questioned whether 'I Talk to the Wind' is a prog song..   mainly because it's a kitsch GG&F pop tune that happens to be on a record many consider to be the first prog work oh, don't get me wrong; i really like the song. sure, there is a bit of kitsch to it, but the flute is simply beautiful

reality wrote: BaldJean wrote: Atavachron wrote: I've always questioned whether 'I Talk to the Wind' is a prog song..   mainly because it's a kitsch GG&F pop tune that happens to be on a record many consider to be the first prog work oh, don't get me wrong; i really like the song. sure, there is a bit of kitsch to it, but the flute is simply beautiful     It is the atmosphere and the concept, Prog did not have to be that complicated back then, it is why it was so genuine.

I certainly agree that the European approach to rock definitely added something to it that had not been there before. but take a look at the first albums of bands like Genesis, Yes or even Gentle Giant; they are not much more either. certainly Gentle Giant already added special their flavor of vocal arrangements on the first album already, and the broad scope of instruments being used is unusual, but compositionally nothing much really happens (interestingly Gentle Giant never really broke up the pattern of verse-chorus-instrumental mid-section-chorus and the slight variations upon this, however complex their arrangements may have been, which probably is the reason they never had an epic). the only really radical approaches at that time came from Kraut and the French rock scene.
which raises the question: what is this thing we call "progressive" in progressive rock? one thing certainly is the broader harmonic approach of it; prog broke up the standard chord patterns. the use of unusual time signatures is another thing but should not be overrated; most prog songs still are in 4/4, 3/4 or 6/8 (of course there are divisions of prog like math rock that deliberately break this rule).
interestingly the "verse - chorus" pattern which I mentioned before is still the basic foundation of much of prog (I am tempted to say "most" instead of "much" even). not that there is anything wrong with it - it is a good and solid foundation