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    Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:17
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521

I really have to disagree with your last statement especially. I feel that the crescendo in Amaranth The Peddler start "feathers..." is the highest point Kayo Dot has hit.


Not the highest (that would be the first climax of Manifold), but certainly up there.  The problem, IMO, is that the buildup to it (and builddown from it) both noodle far too much.

Also, I tend to feel Choirs of the Eye is a tiny bit formulaic in structure of songs from the quiet intros to the heavy dissonance.


Yeah, like Marathon, eh? Wink

I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism and noise sections.

Thanks for the in-depth response.


I love minimalism as well, but there's a difference between minimalism that noodles and minimalism that doesn't, and, unfortunately, I feel that Dowsing has too much of the kind that does.


Also, currently listening to: Blue Lambency Downward
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Originally posted by Shakespeare

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-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is.  Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs

-On Limpid Form.  As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye

-Amaranth the Peddler.  Here's the real reason.  This song is about eight minutes too long.  In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track.  But it honestly drags on.

-it never hits the highs of Choirs.  Let's face it.  As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.


Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.


The problem with all your arguments is that they're subjective, and I respectfully disagree with them all. Big%20smile


I know you're being snarky and all, but he asked a subjective question.
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Also, page 3.
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Dowsing gets better with every listen, but Choirs, after a couple of months of lack of understanding just jumped out at me, and took me completely by suprise. Choirs is definately the superior album, you get the excellent blend of metal, jazz, and minimalism, where IMO Dowsing underdoes the metal, and overdoes the jazz (aura on an asylum wall), and the minimalism (amaranth). Either way, Dowsing may get a five star from me, maybe. 
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Originally posted by Pnoom!

Originally posted by Shakespeare

Originally posted by Pnoom!


-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is.  Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs

-On Limpid Form.  As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye

-Amaranth the Peddler.  Here's the real reason.  This song is about eight minutes too long.  In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track.  But it honestly drags on.

-it never hits the highs of Choirs.  Let's face it.  As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.


Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.


The problem with all your arguments is that they're subjective, and I respectfully disagree with them all. Big%20smile


I know you're being snarky and all, but he asked a subjective question.


Then stop saying "Let's face it" you make it seem like you're being objective. Unhappy
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521



I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism and noise sections.



I agree with you on Dowsing.
But isn't all music a noise section?


Edited by Shakespeare - May 04 2008 at 00:27
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Aura on an Asylum Wall is easily the best song on Dowsing


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LIMPID FORM, BABY
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Originally posted by Shakespeare

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521



I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism and noise sections.



I agree with you on Dowsing.
But isn't all music a noise section?


Yes, but you know what I mean Smile
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Kayo Dot is great. I love every second of every song they've ever done. I can think of nothing negative to say about them at all. From the pretty post-metal to the minimalist dirges to the jazz ballads, I can't get enough!

They're one of those bands that can do no wrong, in my opinion. Probably the only one in which I know I will like whatever they put out.
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Originally posted by heyitsthatguy

Aura on an Asylum Wall is easily the best song on Dowsing


Of course.



Okay, everybody, time to rank Kayo Dot's songs, all of them.

First, though, I'd like people to know that Blue Lambency Downward is reclicking.



1. The Manifold Curiosity
2. Wayfarer
3. Aura on an Asylum Wall
4. Don't Touch Dead Animals
5. Symmetrical Arizona
6. Immortelle and Paper Caravelle
7. The Awkward Windwheel
8. Marathon
9. Blue Lambency Downward
10. Gemini Becoming the Tripod
11. The Antique
12. __ On Limpid Form
13. Clelia Walking
14. A Pitcher of Summer
15. Right Hand Is the One I Want
16. The Sow Submits
17. The Useless Ladder
18. Amaranth the Peddler
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I'll rank with BLD, and repost after I've heard it and made a decision.

1. Amaranth The Peddler
2. ___ On Lipid Form
3. Wayfarer
4. Immortelle and Paper Caravelle
5. The Manifold Curiosity
6. Don't Touch Dead Animals
7. Gemini Becoming The Tripod
8. The Antique
9. Marathon
10. Aura On An Asylum Wall
11. Pitcher Of  Summer
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Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.

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Originally posted by _JC_

Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.


Also, the fact that Choirs of the Eye is the best album ever released should help you enjoy it as well.
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Originally posted by Pnoom!

Originally posted by _JC_

Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.


Also, the fact that Choirs of the Eye is the best album ever released should help you enjoy it as well.


oh the irony that we agree on the brilliance of this album, yet you chastise me in my other thread about metal......OuchAngry

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Originally posted by avalanchemaster

Originally posted by Pnoom!

Originally posted by _JC_

Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.


Also, the fact that Choirs of the Eye is the best album ever released should help you enjoy it as well.


oh the irony that we agree on the brilliance of this album, yet you chastise me in my other thread about metal......OuchAngry


You might have noticed how, in the other thread, part of my frustration was that we largely agreed on a great many points, and yet we were arguing over something so fundamentally simple.

No hard feelings from that thread, ok?

Hug


EDIT: oh, and go slap a ***** review on Choirs if you haven't already, eh? Tongue


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Originally posted by Pnoom!

Originally posted by avalanchemaster

Originally posted by Pnoom!

Originally posted by _JC_

Well, I just picked up my first Kayo Dot album; Choirs of the Eye. Being that I am a huge fan of experimental metal music, and even more of a fan of all things post, I'm pretty sure I enjoy this.


Also, the fact that Choirs of the Eye is the best album ever released should help you enjoy it as well.


oh the irony that we agree on the brilliance of this album, yet you chastise me in my other thread about metal......OuchAngry


You might have noticed how, in the other thread, part of my frustration was that we largely agreed on a great many points, and yet we were arguing over something so fundamentally simple.

No hard feelings from that thread, ok?

Hug


EDIT: oh, and go slap a ***** review on Choirs if you haven't already, eh? Tongue


nope. no hard feelings, it all boils down to the love of music,  right?
so explain to me in that other thread what we are misunderstanding......

I will have to listen to Choirs for days on end to give it a just review...Wink

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I'm bored.  Album ranking time.

1. Choirs of the Eye
2. Bath
3t. Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue
3t. Blue Lambency Downward
5. In the L..L..Library Loft
6. Leaving Your Body Map
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do Kayo Dot actually play on Gregor Samsa's "Rest"? I listened to that album yesterday and it was hypnotic, a word I mean in its literal sense.
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