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    Posted: June 27 2009 at 04:03

I listened to Guy Guden's SPR back in the early and mid-80s.  I was captured from the very first show I heard.  His comedy was okay though I considered him bitingly funnier in person.  His wit was sharp and brief.  I wrote a short biography of him that he seemed to like.  I recorded a dinner conversation with him and mostly transcribed that conversation.  He liked it.  I wish I still had a copy of it.  The music he played was incredible, nothing short of incredible.  I had to have it.  I was successful in finding some of the Klaus Schultz stuff, the Tangerine Dream stuff, but the incredible Mark Shreve stuff has always eluded me.  Can you or anyone help me locate some of that musician's '80s music?

I struggled to help Guy switch to video, a video version of SPR that would've been perfect for VH-1 or M-TV; Space Pirate Video, a show broadscast from the Moon featuring videos by Kraftwerk, Pink Floyd, et cetera, and even introduced him to producers in LA who introduced us to other musical/video production types but Guy would sabotage himself by tardiness.  He was professional enough to impress these people but it was all to no avail, usually because he was incapable of compromise that he thought negated his artistic ideals.  He uncompromised himself into obscurity.  Begging and pleading with him was futile.  He had a strange ability to destroy his support network.  My last meeting with him was at some hamburger place in Santa Barbara, sitting on a patio where I bought him lunch with my last $15 dollars.  He thanked me by insulting me non-stop for the duration of the lunch.  I was so angry I didn't reply and walked away never to see him again.  He left Santa Barbara radio shortly after that last bitter meeting and I lost track of him at that point.  I still have his tapes and listen to them often; in fact, I'm listening to them right now.  He introduced me and others to some of the most fun and beautiufl music ever produced by contemporary artists and I thank him for that.  I remember music by Bryan Ferry and Kate Bush.  When he went off the air at his last Santa Barbara station I began listening to Musical Starstreams and Hearts Of Space on other stations.  Their music was okay, sort of, and their playlists were more informative, but it wasn't the same as the music Guy played for all those tri-county night owls, night-shift workers and insomniac students at SBCC and UCSB.  I'm sorry he never got his Peter Sellers book published or possibly even written.  I am not surprised to learn in this forum that he had been beaten severely by some unsavory characters he had associated with.  Guy was always good at provoking people.  Sounds like he might have provoked the wrong ones.   I felt like punching him at our last meeting, him being such the ingrate and all, but thought it best to just take my leave of him.  He was rich in potential for artistic success but was his own worst enemy.  I would very much appreciate information on how to get copies of some of his shows.  I'm mostly interested in the music he played, not so much his comedy bits.  His repartee was better.  If anyone can turn me on to a site where I can buy some Mark Schreve music it would be just grand to hear from you.  I wish Guy well.  I bear no hard feelings.  He is who he is.  I'm so glad I found this forum.
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Hi,
 
There is a side to this that I agree with ... and yes, one could say that at times I thought that Guy was being a bit of a megalomaniac and needed to grow up past the chocolate bar ... but that is not for me to say, or judge. He has to live with himself.
 
In general, during the many years with him, he was not quite the tardy type, but I left Santa Barbara in 1982 for a new world and life ... as Santa Barbara had lost it for me and it just was not getting any moreo fun.
 
While, over the years I can say that I have found myself ok, and I am a writer for the most part, the days with Guy will always be special, as will the music. But that said, yeah ... there were always bits here and there that were annoying.
 
Like saying I am not. Or you are not ...
 
Fame was a funny bitch ... and I kinda think that Guy, despite all his ... talents ... whatever ... never really grew up to decide what he could do or not do, and yes, I do believe he ended up cornering himself because of it ... and I have an idea as to why this was so ... but that is an idea, and probably has nothing to do with music or radio or anything else.
 
The sad moral of the story ... is that many "artists" are troubled ... and a lot of their work seems to come out of that ... I was able to help Guy enjoy the more surrealistic stuff (I was into Bunuel/Dali film and literature) and a lot of the stuff on radio was not that good by comparison, and this, I have to admit that Guy took to ok ... but unffortunately, I think that what he saw was ... more of what he became ...
 
As to the anger, in a recent email he said ... "I've made so many enemies" ... and the only reply I had for him was the Pogo cartoon ... which he also liked ... and Ma said "We's met the enmy! It is US". And all I could say gently was ... just look at the mirror Guy and for once don't make a face ... go ahead and cry ... the only person you really dislike and hate is yourself! You can then, decide, who and what you want to be!


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  Quote seaotter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 16:30
Thank you for taking the time to write.  It is very much appreciated.  Take care and continue enjoying what music you recorded.  I'm doing the same.
 
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  Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2009 at 14:48
Hi,
 
From the beginning, I taped most of the stuff that I did not have ... and usually when Guy and I, or any other variation upon a theme would visit Moby Disk or any other option, we rarely got the same things and in a way this was intentional ... I did have different tastes having come from a house with over 2k albums of classical music and opera ... but, I also enjoyed his comedy and was a part of both major productions that he did at SBCC ... and I still have a cassette of "Casanova's Lips" ... which I have to admit ... I have not tried to mp3 yet ... for some oddball stupid reason!
 
(In general, Warehouse in Westwood was great for Soundtracks and  Comedy - where a lot of Goons, PC and DM and etc came from, Tower on the strip originally was fabulous for independents like Peter Hammill, and oddities, Moby Disk was the best for German and English ... and later better on Italians ... we had to kick them to get French sometimes, etc etc etc etc ... )
 
But I did salvage the first "Viva La Fiasco" ... and "The Real Don Robot" from that huge April Fools day show that KTYD used to do. Both still sound stupendous ... and I love the advert he does with Focus in the background ... that is Guy at his very best and is "Guy" ... the truest Guy there is.
 
You know what is funny and bizarre? In the modern age of the computer he can do his comedy even better and sell it ... and not have to feel like he can not be the artist he wants ... but as I said before, I do not know that he knows what he wants ... he gets bored easily and it was one of the things that helped Space Pirate Radio more than anything ... no boredom there ... he was not going to repeat it unless he could make fun of it, which he did many times on his own comedy and adventures (another story!).
 
Ans specially today he could be as biting as he wants and there is a market for it ... and even go do some stand up stuff ... he's very much a Woody Allen type for my mind's eye ... he can do stand up and people would just die laughing off his stories.
 
I think the radio personality thing hurt him. If he had stuck with theater and made a serious attempt at film, he probably would have made it as an actor ... but the radio fame, the girls, and the lousy pay and bills probably bit him badly ... and made it tough to go to NY or LA and starve for a role ... so to speak. At least that is what I see ...
 
Being a writer and an artist in my own way, it is easy to see/say something that might be considered better or otherwise look like a better choice. Guy's good work in my time was based so much on his freedom and the fact that Mr. Whittaker knew that it would sell out and help the theater's status ... for his acting had garnered some pretty envious reviews ... unfortunatelly the Lobero thought that stars were not local ... just from some imaginary Hollywood! And taking advantage of local talent and  milking it to give them a better name in the arts was never gonna happen ... and it didn't.
 
I probably was not a good influence, and neither was it him meeting and getting to know my dad ... specially when he had so many juicy stories about so many writers and their independent streak ... which was the side that my dad was on ... and I'm on ... and Guy was a sort of a defining presence that helped me define my own ... in this sense I gained more from him that he could possibly gain from me, other than pay rent for a couple of years ... for which he feels embarassed and I have told him there is nothing to be embarassed about ... we gave it a shot and tried ... it's all we can do!
 
Vive La Trance!


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  Quote spacemissing Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2009 at 20:06
Wow.    Finally, some more posts.
 
On the few occasions I visited Guy, I found him to be very closed-up
about a lot of personal matters. I didn't press him for information.
 
I frequently called and talked to him during the show;
several times I was on the phone with him for over an hour,
and had to wait while he did station ID's during the call.
He was a bit more open then, but only a bit.
 
I guess I should have recorded the phone calls in addition to recording the shows.
 
 
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  Quote kurthu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2009 at 13:38

At UCSB 1981-1983, I faithfully tuned into SPR and turned a number of my friends on to it.  Some of my greatest treasures are the cassette recordings that I made of the show.

I have three partal shows from 3/7/1983, 3/14/1983, and 5/2/1983 long since converted to MP3 and I listen to them all the time - including right now!  Somewhere I have a copy of Guy's album too.  I met him once in one of the Santa Barbara or IV record shops and was somewhat starstruck.
 
You guys should take your memories and create a Wikipedia entry for Guy / SPR.  Some sharing of MP3's would be awesome too!
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Hey Kurthu
 
Welcome.  I too used to be an avid listener of SPR and religious about recording the shows.  However, in turning on a friend to the music, I loaned all my tapes and never got them back.  Anyway, I would love to hear your MP3's or know who the artists were.  I have been searching for the music guy used to play .  I have been somewhat successful.  Any chance of exchanging some music?  You can reply to me directly at dreamwriter0116@hotmail.com
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Pedro,
 
Please stop taking credit for Guy's work. You never directed him. I was in Casanova's Lips. I knew Guy longer than you and have heard nearly all of his various eras of shows. I knew him from before he started the show and have remained in contact with him over the years. Much more sporadically in recent years, though. I was involved with Love Rides The Rails, too. I've seen him in Nothing Is Sacred & Arsenic & Old Lace. I have many recordings of his shows from the 70's all the way up to the current decade including playlists. I have the album signed by him and many artifacts from theatre to radio. I also own quite a bit of his record collection and have kept up with prog music since the 70's. We have always been the best of friends. Although, when I did radio at UCSB's station KCSB, he thought I was copying his style until I convinced him that it was a tribute to my mentor. I started as The Space Ace and then a decade later did Pioneers Over C. He still lives in Santa Maria with his wife and does not do his show anymore. The radio battle is long since over. But, he has lost none of his wit. It's all still there. I wish he would return too. But it is not to be. Believe me I've tried to recreate the experience of that landmark show many times for my own entertainment. I lost many hours of sleep. I simply continue to support the music that I've loved since first hearing Space Pirate Radio. I've attended concerts and still collect many of the same artists he used to play. I consider myself to have one of the largest collections of Gong, Klaus Schuze, Tangerine Dream, Can, Amon Duul 2, Caravan, Camel, Gentle Giant, Nektar, Ash Ra Tempel, Ange, Kraan, Faust, Magma, Man, King Crimson, Banco, PFM, Le Orme, Kraftwerk, Hawkwind, Guru Guru, Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, Van Der Graaf Generator, Helden, Kevin Ayers, Mike Oldfield, Robert Wyatt, Kayak, Sadistic Mika Band, Kate Bush, Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band, The Goon Shows, Popol Vuh, Alan Stivell, and the list goes on. You may have been his roomate for a time, but I've carried on with the music and humor that influenced all of our tastes. So let this set the record straight. Thanks Ying Yang
 
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