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    Posted: September 17 2008 at 06:03
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:


You mean  radio stations keep playing Rock n Roll All Nite 'cause Kiss tours a few cities every few years ? Could the same be said for Pink Floyd's spectacular concerts ? That they will be remembered for their shows rather than their music ?Kiss has been around for 24 years. They had their first platinum album in '75. They still manage to go out on massive tours, and their back catalogue still sells in quite nice amounts, thank you. As for being remembered for one or the other, a concert is a one night thing held in memory. More than a few bands have tried the "Big Bang Show" to generate ticket sales, and failed because the music wasn't there. Will Kiss' music still be remembered or played in a hundred years from now ? Neither of us can prove it either way. But you can't deny that their songs are still getting played. Just not for your pleasure (or displeasure as it seems, although to your seeming displeasure).Kiss' success does not have any effect on Radiohead's nor vice versa. And comparing either's music or concert presentation doesn't prove anything. A Kiss show is a Kiss show. A Radiohead show is a Radiohead show. It is possible to like one over the other and still like the music that both have put out.Just not for you.


All I'm saying is, Kiss is a show band. The amount of units they have sold has nothing to do with their knowledge of composition and/or music in general (Spice Girls sold a lot of units too). Radiohead is in it for entirely different reasons. So I guess we agree with each other on that point.

As far as Pink Floyd, my feeling is that they will be remembered for both their shows and their music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2008 at 03:39
A few of the comments on this page are getting rather personal and disrespectful to others.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2008 at 21:40

Which brings us back to the original deal, which is that Gene Simmons is not an authority on anything and should probably remain silent unless he is speaking about something with which he has some knowledge.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2008 at 20:35
Originally posted by Lionheart Lionheart wrote:

I think Gene Simmons has done very well for himself, however, Kiss' music has never really changed (except for some more metal tendencies here and there), so I wouldn't consider him an authority on the "value of musical risk or experimentation". Kiss has always relied on a live spectacle, so, no surprises. Like most of the things he says, it's not really about Radiohead (who apparently can't put on the fire breathing spectacle), it's more about Kiss ("I mean, look at us! We're Kiss! We give the people what they want"!)

It's a shallow, predictable and manipulative statement from a member of a band who are artists at focusing the attention on themselves. Kiss won't be remembered for their music. They will be remembered for their shows. Radiohead is not Kiss, and Kiss is not Radiohead.


You mean  radio stations keep playing Rock n Roll All Nite 'cause Kiss tours a few cities every few years ?
Could the same be said for Pink Floyd's spectacular concerts ? That they will be remembered for their shows rather than their music ?
Kiss has been around for 24 years. They had their first platinum album in '75. They still manage to go out on massive tours, and their back catalogue still sells in quite nice amounts, thank you.
As for being remembered for one or the other, a concert is a one night thing held in memory. More than a few bands have tried the "Big Bang Show" to generate ticket sales, and failed because the music wasn't there.
Will Kiss' music still be remembered or played in a hundred years from now ? Neither of us can prove it either way. But you can't deny that their songs are still getting played. Just not for your pleasure (or displeasure as it seems, although to your seeming displeasure).
Kiss' success does not have any effect on Radiohead's nor vice versa. And comparing either's music or concert presentation doesn't prove anything. A Kiss show is a Kiss show. A Radiohead show is a Radiohead show. It is possible to like one over the other and still like the music that both have put out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2008 at 19:36
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

Kiss scrape the bottom of any progressive rock barrel hence the need for the dress up like Halloween  gimmick. Kudos to their perseverance but I could care less what Gene psuedo musician/actor/self proclaimed porn star Simmons has to say about  the artistic integrity of Radiohead.

Er, I think the thread is about Gene not caring for Radiohead's concert "presentation". You may have missed the part about him liking their music.
Pseudo means you're not really that which you claim to be. Gene plays bass and guitar (no claim to virtuosity, just competency) which means he is a musician, a paid one at that. Has acted in a few movies, therefore is an actor, again having been paid for that "job". And as for the porn star bit, well Wilt Chamberlain and others have claimed some success in that area. Ego is not something that will cause a person to hide that "fact".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2008 at 19:03
I think Gene Simmons has done very well for himself, however, Kiss' music has never really changed (except for some more metal tendencies here and there), so I wouldn't consider him an authority on the "value of musical risk or experimentation". Kiss has always relied on a live spectacle, so, no surprises. Like most of the things he says, it's not really about Radiohead (who apparently can't put on the fire breathing spectacle), it's more about Kiss ("I mean, look at us! We're Kiss! We give the people what they want"!)

It's a shallow, predictable and manipulative statement from a member of a band who are artists at focusing the attention on themselves. Kiss won't be remembered for their music. They will be remembered for their shows. Radiohead is not Kiss, and Kiss is not Radiohead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2008 at 14:37
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

Kiss scrape the bottom of any progressive rock barrel hence the need for the dress up like Halloween  gimmick. Kudos to their perseverance but I could care less what Gene psuedo musician/actor/self proclaimed porn star Simmons has to say about  the artistic integrity of Radiohead.

Er, I think the thread is about Gene not caring for Radiohead's concert "presentation". You may have missed the part about him liking their music.
Pseudo means you're not really that which you claim to be. Gene plays bass and guitar (no claim to virtuosity, just competency) which means he is a musician, a paid one at that. Has acted in a few movies, therefore is an actor, again having been paid for that "job". And as for the porn star bit, well Wilt Chamberlain and others have claimed some success in that area. Ego is not something that will cause a person to hide that "fact".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2008 at 20:19
Kiss scrape the bottom of any progressive rock barrel hence the need for the dress up like Halloween  gimmick. Kudos to their perseverance but I could care less what Gene psuedo musician/actor/self proclaimed porn star Simmons has to say about  the artistic integrity of Radiohead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2008 at 15:44
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Page 8 already!  Congratulations!

By the way, I saw Radiohead's In The Basement Video last weekend and Simmons is full of it! LOL

I just saw Gene's basement and it's full of Radiohead CDs Big%20smile
No mention yet, that the guy likes them comes as a shock . You would think that the public image of Gene (and many other hard rockers for that matter) is that their tastes are quite crude rude and limited to caveman IQ preferences.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2008 at 22:58
Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

Must every thread on this forum be some progressive elitist whining about something?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2008 at 22:57
Must every thread on this forum be some progressive elitist whining about something?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 15:20
Originally posted by metalisnotprog metalisnotprog wrote:

A long in the tooth rock star finallly tells the truth and he gets slated


You mean Simmons has only one tooth left? Come on, he's not that old...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2008 at 17:42
Well to continue the film analogy Kiss were the Rocky Horror Show, whilst Radiohead are more Death in Venice. Take yer pick. Ive seen both films and both bands. Kiss were fun but id forgotten the gig a week later whilst Radiohead made my spine tingle for months afterwards! There's more to music than a bit of slap and some pantomime choreography!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2008 at 12:03
To paraphrase a far more talented and visually entertaining musician.....
 
"Close your mouth and take your seat,
Cause after all you're just talking meat.
And music....
Well it's just entertainment folks"
 
Listen to Gene's legendary interview on NPR, that's Gene being Gene.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2008 at 22:59
Originally posted by metalisnotprog metalisnotprog wrote:

A long in the tooth rock star finallly tells the truth and he gets slated..................the modern day Brit bands are boring and tired.....live shows should include a comfy seat and a nice pillow.
 
Radiohead are sooooooooooooooo boring whether live or not.................................and prog..i believe the joker is in town.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2008 at 20:36
A long in the tooth rock star finallly tells the truth and he gets slated..................the modern day Brit bands are boring and tired.....live shows should include a comfy seat and a nice pillow.
 
Radiohead are sooooooooooooooo boring whether live or not.................................and prog..i believe the joker is in town.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2008 at 08:58
Page 8 already!  Congratulations!

By the way, I saw Radiohead's In The Basement Video last weekend and Simmons is full of it! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2008 at 00:38
Originally posted by Mantra Mantra wrote:

I think we should all realize Gene will be Gene, but to be honest he really should lay low on modern bands. Times have changed, and for progressive bands especially, the live shows tend to be a bit more tame. I kinda like Kiss, as they were a gateway band to heavier things, and ultimately, prog for me, but Gene should stick in his own territory and leave Radiohead and bands of the sort alone. Not to say Radiohead is the most exciting band, but whats it to him?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 21:04
I think we should all realize Gene will be Gene, but to be honest he really should lay low on modern bands. Times have changed, and for progressive bands especially, the live shows tend to be a bit more tame. I kinda like Kiss, as they were a gateway band to heavier things, and ultimately, prog for me, but Gene should stick in his own territory and leave Radiohead and bands of the sort alone. Not to say Radiohead is the most exciting band, but whats it to him?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 05:39
As for Kiss versus Radiohead.... I'm no expert on either band, but I've only heard one song I liked by Radiohead and Kiss are 1970s hard rock, a style I like much more than depressive modern rock like Radiohead.
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