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    Posted: June 26 2009 at 07:39
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Abrawang Abrawang wrote:

I liked the band, saw them in concert once, but I don't think of them as prog.  They seemed to me to try an updated folk-rock sounds for a lot of middle ages/renaissance era music.  Still. as someone said, many proggers would enjoy them.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2009 at 06:01
I actually disagreed with their addition, but could see the point of having them here - since Pentangle and Fairport Convention were already in the DB. Anyway, unlike many people here, I would never raise a stink because of any addition - in my opinion, there are much more important things in life to get upset about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2009 at 20:39
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Iván:
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Bob, Steeleye Span were added months agoWink....

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4010
 
Oops,
 
Well, then as usual will shut my mouth now.
 
At least I like their music.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2009 at 20:37
Iván:
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Bob, Steeleye Span were added months agoWink....

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4010
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2009 at 20:34
Love Steeleye Span, their versionopf Gaudette is the best by far.
 
But if they are not going to be added to Folk Prog (what I doubt), better not to add them.
 
Not Prog or Prog Related IMHO.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2009 at 20:21
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
I'm not sure that the first reply really does justice to the question and the music that this band put together ...
 
And a lot of it has to do with the definition of "prog" ... and someone is basically comparing this to Genesis and ELP and it will fail ...
You are reading things in there I never said nor intended to imply, but that is the nature of interpretation and assumption. Wink
 
The definition of "prog" is nebulous at best and can be bent to fit a myriad of different styles of music, folk being one of them - how far you push that definition depends upon your own personal pain threshold - mine is quite high, I can perceive "Prog" in some bands that would cause many to physically wince at the mere mention of. LOL
 
Of course it would be unwise to compare Steeleye Span to Genesis or ELP and only a muppet would think of such a comparison. To ascertain whether fit into a our definition of "prog" one would have to compare them to bands that we classify as Progressive Folk (Pentangle, Quintessence, Third Ear Band, etc), the Folk Rock bands we classify as Prog Related (Fairport Convention, Magna Carta, etc.) and Folk (Rock) bands that have no discernible Prog connection or relationship (Albion Band, Jack The Lad, ...erm, The Pogues?). Of course that would be our interpretation - neither right nor wrong, just an opinion.
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
But this is progressive music, when you consider that it is taking an idiom that is notoriously known for not changing and adding other dimentions to it ... not just electric stuff. Now, does this mean that they can not do traditionals differently and because of it they are not considered progressive in any way?
 
I disagree. In my terms they brought a lot of folk music out in the open for your generation and mine ... and that is ... ELECTRIC MUSIC ... and as such, there are things they did that pushed the medium that other wise would not have happened with just an accoustic guitar and voice ... the traditional medium for a lot of folk music.
 
And this is where the definition of progressive fails ... groups that do some things that are so different and help the medium instead of killing it ... and yet, we can not find a spot in our hearts to appreciate someone's vision and attempt. We could say the same thing for Fairport Convention ... and many other bands around these guys ... it started with Pentangle a long time ago, btw!!!
There is a world of distinction between Progressive the noun and progressive the verb. The genre of "Progressive Rock" took is name from the verb "to progress" but it does not mean that artists have to progress anything to be Progressive (n), similarly artists who are progressive (v) in their chosen field of music are not automatically making Progressive (n) Rock music. However there are artists who are progressive (v) and Progressive (n). We define Progressive Rock as a noun - i.e. a name for a genre of music, not progressive Rock, which would be a description of music that progresses; by that same inference, we define Progressive Folk as the name of a specific form of Folk music (and not exclusively Folk Rock), not as a description of all Folk music that has progressed away from the traditional form of the original Folk genre.
 
To be specific about Steeleye Span - they were not the first Folk band to go electric and they did not progress (v) the Folk Rock or Electric Folk genres as far as other bands either before or since. Personally (in as much as I am a fan of the Span) I don't believe they pushed the Folk genre into new directions or doing anything radically differently at the time, but were following conventions set by bands like The Pentangle and Fairport Convention and made "standard" Electric Folk, in most cases just recording electrified songs from traditional sources such as the Child Ballads or the Roud Folk Song Index and did not develop the structure or composition of those songs in the same way that other more progressive (v & n) bands had done (with the possible exceptions of King HenryThomas The Rhymer and Fighting For Strangers - but a few progish songs out of nearly 200 does not a Prog (n) band make Wink).
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 14:04
Hi,
 
I'm not sure that the first reply really does justice to the question and the music that this band put together ...
 
And a lot of it has to do with the definition of "prog" ... and someone is basically comparing this to Genesis and ELP and it will fail ...
 
But this is progressive music, when you consider that it is taking an idiom that is notoriously known for not changing and adding other dimentions to it ... not just electric stuff. Now, does this mean that they can not do traditionals differently and because of it they are not considered progressive in any way?
 
I disagree. In my terms they brought a lot of folk music out in the open for your generation and mine ... and that is ... ELECTRIC MUSIC ... and as such, there are things they did that pushed the medium that other wise would not have happened with just an accoustic guitar and voice ... the traditional medium for a lot of folk music.
 
And this is where the definition of progressive fails ... groups that do some things that are so different and help the medium instead of killing it ... and yet, we can not find a spot in our hearts to appreciate someone's vision and attempt. We could say the same thing for Fairport Convention ... and many other bands around these guys ... it started with Pentangle a long time ago, btw!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2009 at 08:35
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Bob, Steeleye Span were added months agoWink....

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4010
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2009 at 07:56
Bob, Steeleye Span were added months agoWink....

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4010
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Great band. Prog-related would be OK.
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Not Prog, but still an amazing band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2008 at 04:17
Originally posted by Abrawang Abrawang wrote:

I liked the band, saw them in concert once, but I don't think of them as prog.  They seemed to me to try an updated folk-rock sounds for a lot of middle ages/renaissance era music.  Still. as someone said, many proggers would enjoy them.
 
Can someone close this thread, so I can get over their inclusion????AngryOuchWinkTongue
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2008 at 23:14
I liked the band, saw them in concert once, but I don't think of them as prog.  They seemed to me to try an updated folk-rock sounds for a lot of middle ages/renaissance era music.  Still. as someone said, many proggers would enjoy them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 11:12
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Just saw this!!!!!!!!!AngryCensoredNukePigDead
 
The least was to ask the prog folk team their advice, even if it was for prog related..... but this was carefully avoidedOuchThumbs Down
 
The thread was here for all to see ST, time to let it go and move on.Wink
 
 
Actually I had.....Smile
 
until I found this threadLOL
 
which means I'll have to retry to forget about it.Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 11:08
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

 
Would you not want them included, or would you like to have them included in Prog Folk? Or would you just like to have taken part in the process?
 
My original idea was to leave them out completely out of the database as was for Fairport as well.
 
this was in order to make a real line between the groups that were indeed prog folk (as Pentangle with the torrid fusion of jazz, folk & blues) and those groups sticking with traditional folk or when, they got experimental, they electrified their trad folk, making it folk rock >> such as SS and FC.
 
But Fairport got added a bit ruthlessly against my wishes three years back, and now SS.... But i suppose that having FC in and SS not was inconsistant.
 
I'll just have to deal with it
 
 
 
Is just my opinion but I find that FC are more Prog of SS. In fact FC wrote personal songs that are particular fusion about Rock and Folk with other mix of genres (not in all songs). Vice versa SS... Simply use personal arrengements (in POP way) for new versions of traditionals.
 
SS and FC are great band... But in a certain sense... In this type of fusion I prefer (about PA's bands) Amazing Blondel!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 10:24
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Just saw this!!!!!!!!!AngryCensoredNukePigDead
 
The least was to ask the prog folk team their advice, even if it was for prog related..... but this was carefully avoidedOuchThumbs Down
 
The thread was here for all to see ST, time to let it go and move on.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 05:53
Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

 
Would you not want them included, or would you like to have them included in Prog Folk? Or would you just like to have taken part in the process?
 
My original idea was to leave them out completely out of the database as was for Fairport as well.
 
this was in order to make a real line between the groups that were indeed prog folk (as Pentangle with the torrid fusion of jazz, folk & blues) and those groups sticking with traditional folk or when, they got experimental, they electrified their trad folk, making it folk rock >> such as SS and FC.
 
But Fairport got added a bit ruthlessly against my wishes three years back, and now SS.... But i suppose that having FC in and SS not was inconsistant.
 
I'll just have to deal with it
 
 
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