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    Posted: July 29 2008 at 08:42

I read a lot of posts on this forum and what disturbes me is how negative many people here and on other forums think about prog's reputation today. Offcourse the world is infected by Idols and glamour but I think there is also a little spark witch could mean the reincarnation of prog.

I'll give a few excemples;

You see bands like porcupine tree, dream theater and the mars volta gainig more and more fans from mainstream rock and alternitive rock listeners. I attended a pt concert in Amsterdam last year and I was suprised by the veriaty off people who came to the show. I saw some metal-heads, but also older people with pink floyd T-shirts on. I even saw a few hiphoppers and teenagers who were looking like they only listened to shakira or **** like this. So this makes me wonder is prog really dead? (offcourse you can always say yeah but pt is not real prog but I don't want to get mixed in that needless never ending discussion about what is prog)

 
On the other hand I see mainstream bands heading a tiny little bit to a more progressive aproach. For excemple Korn recorded a few songs from their last album with nobody alse than Terry Bozzio. Linkin Park listened to a lot of King Crimson, Pink Floyd and ELP before recording their last album. Not that this album is anywhere near prog but it gives you a good idea of how some mainstream artists s trying to incorporate prog into their music.
 
Also in Holland you have a very big House/Techno scene and theire are a lot of DJ''s experimenting with odd time signatures and very much different tempi. Offcourse this is not prog like Genesis etc. but it's certainly progressive and the funny thing is also they're gaining a lot of fans
 
For me these are signs of a growing interest in a more intense/experimental aproach to music rathar than the four chourd based **** we see on mtv. It will never be like the 70's classic prog again because that was a genre that was very much related to time it was coming from, but I think it's legacy will always inspire generations of musicians and fans like we saw with the 80's rebirth of prog and the birth of prog metal. Now we have trip hop, breakbeat, post rock and maybe we'll see some progressive hiphop in the future.
And thanks to the net al those influences will cycle around the world always for ever and will reach many more people than ever before and I think this is what keeps the legacy of the giants of the 70's alive
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 10:56
Prog is definitely not dead, and doesn't look like it's dying right now. Again, being more concerned with brushing up on the classics I haven't heard yet than investigating new material, I have no real opinion on whether prog has peaked creatively yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 11:15
I've been prog crazy for over 30 years now.  There's still plenty to explore in the classics and plenty of good new stuff happening.  I'm taking a slight break now from new acquisitions and enjoying what I've already got.  Some of which may not have been properly enjoyed when I first added it.

I think standard commercial music tends to get stagnant and no surprise that music fans will turn to prog as they reach out  for something better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 13:01
When people talk about the soon coming reincarnation of prog... I must say, are you living in this moment? This is it! The second wave of prog in among us and its AWESOME!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 14:08
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

When people talk about the soon coming reincarnation of prog... I must say, are you living in this moment? This is it! The second wave of prog in among us and its AWESOME!!!

Aye, and its been going since the start of the decade.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 17:29
Prog reincarnated?  I prefer to think of myself as a zombie prog pod person, thank you very much.Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 20:41
Prog is not dead; it's just hidden.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 20:49
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

  are you living in this moment? This is it! The second wave of prog in among us and its AWESOME!!!


Clap  and I have little doubt 10 or 15 years from now we'll all be saying what happened to all the great new prog?! LOL

..besides, who'd want it to become hugely popular ..  prog bands charting high worked in the 70s because those bands were the new rock, the cutting edge of a post-psychedelic landsape, but now it would be seen more as a fad, novelty or worse, a gimmick


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 22:39
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Prog is not dead; it's just hidden.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2008 at 23:21
I won't get into arguments about what is true Prog and what is not, but this is a very exciting time for progressive music.  The internet has played an important part.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2008 at 06:23
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Prog is not dead; it's just hidden. it just smells funny.


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To come back to the topic - prog is not reincarnated, it is still alive, not dying, but changing, progressing. There simply won't be another Genesis or another Punk Floyd or Jethro Tull, the bands play different music. And there are people who like the music but do not know that it is considered progressive..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 16:23
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Prog is not dead; it's just hidden. it just smells funny. It is somewhere between the dark side of the moon and the fountain of Salmacis. Needless to say, prog is always close to the edge.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 16:26
Prog isn't dead, but it's evolving and the new sounds (PT, TMV) aren't necessarily accepted by some hoping prog will somehow keep sounding like CTTE pt. 2.

I would argue that Blueberry Boat by The Fiery Furnaces is the best example of something clearly prog, but also clearly modern.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2008 at 01:10
I think the capatalist commercial grip on music's artistic neck (choking it to death by promoting the most simple, mainstream "****" as you put it, especially here in America) is finally starting to backfire. I too have noticed a rise in prog lately. I was auditioning to perform Regression for a choir concert and asked the class how many of them had heard of Dream Theater and over half had in fact heard of them, if not heard their music. I heard people in my school's band program blasting the new Mars Volta album from their headphones too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2008 at 01:42
I never cared about mainstream music. Even if 97.6% of the population turn a cold shoulder to Prog, that doesn't mean Prog is dead. On the contrary, this website's ample proof that Prog is vibrantly ALIVE!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2008 at 04:34
Of course.By the way,it will never die if crazy people like me take trains for Germany to see Magma or The Cardiacs.But as Logan says,one has to Magmatyse and progelityse the masses!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2008 at 09:53
I have Pjevat će Slavonija - 2006 - Zlatko Pejaković (2006) which is simply a folk album with  drum machine and dance rhythms, also if 9 of 10 songs are traditionals. Indicative is the fact that this album plays so Prog... Not Proggy... P R O G!
 
If this was the right path that should follow Prog... Well, I would say that goes really well, because it would be the right one. Instead the word Prog seems a taboo for 90% of people. If Prog say nobody knows what to speak.  But if you say PFM, Dream Theatre, New Trolls ... Here, everyone knows what to speak.
 
This is the problem. Because the Prog is not dead. Is alive and well!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2008 at 13:37
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

When people talk about the soon coming reincarnation of prog... I must say, are you living in this moment? This is it! The second wave of prog in among us and its AWESOME!!!

Aye, and its been going since the start of the decade.

If not a bit earlier
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2008 at 16:13
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

When people talk about the soon coming reincarnation of prog... I must say, are you living in this moment? This is it! The second wave of prog in among us and its AWESOME!!!

Aye, and its been going since the start of the decade.

If not a bit earlier

Yes, but 99/2000 was when it really started to get going, before that it was mainly a small number of experimental bands amung an inceasing number of groups that were playing in the style of the 70's classics, and had pretty much eshausted that avernue (though thats not to say that these bands were bad).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2008 at 07:57
I never said prog is dead.. so why these reactions. I said we see prog come back in a nother form and also getting more popular.  I don't want prog be as famous as mainstream because then it's mainstream. But I see a change of winds in the hearts of music listeneres and these winds are heading to the new prog bands and artists, some in a complete new form, therefore reincarnated
 
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