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Carousel - 2004

 
Carousel came about after hearing Autechre and Four Tet for the first time. What struck me about their music was not that it was IDM, but that it was dark and in some ways menacing and that in some respects was what I was striving for with the cacophony of light. However, rather than go lock myself in the attic and produce my version of dark IDM I wanted to infuse the feeling I got when first hearing it into my own 'brand' of music. The theme of fairgrounds and circuses seemed natural choice for this album, inspired in part by the artwork of Dave McKean (for Neil Gaiman's The Tragical Comedy or Comical Tragedy of Mr. Punch and the comic book for Alice Cooper's Last Temptation), the track "Circus of Death" by the early incarnation of The Human League, Carousel, the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical that features "You'll Never Walk Alone" and by Stephen Sondheim's "Send In The Clowns". The main inspiration came from a doctored photograph of demonic/vampiric carousel horse I produced for a spoof website of a black metal band called Warriors of Doom. The title of the track 'Into The Pantomime' was also borrowed from the WoD website, being a parody of "Into the Pandemonium" by Celtic Frost, not that this version is a black metal parody - far from it, I just liked the title (not that I think myself above such parodies, my first album contains a BM parody track called "The Penultimate Battle Triumphant As The Immortal Emperor Entombed In The Woods Of The Carpathean Forest Creates Necrophobic Mayhem At The Gates Of Marduk's Darkthrone And Nevermore Shall Thorns Rest On Thorns I Lay Against Borknagar’s Green Carnation Until We See The Anathema That Is Hecate Enthroned With My Dying Bride At Bal Sagoth’s Ancient Ceremony And The Infantile Hordes Are Nested In Their Cradle Of Filth (Part 1)"  - it is precisely 13 seconds long, but that's for another day).

 

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Into The Pantomime
Panicking Pachyderm
Send Home The Clowns
Hippodrone
Caroustabout

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Total playing time: 42:30 minutes
Download: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DEOUW9P7 50Mb (includes all artwork)
 


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The first time I tried listening to Carousel, I fell asleep (not the artist's fault- it was quite late and I'd been in the cups).  I snoozed during the second track, and wound up having an extremely vivid dream.  I was running from something in this steampunk-like factory, and whatever was chasing me had a very distinct groan (which was actually the low grumbling noises throughout the beginning of the second half of the piece).  At the end of the piece, I woke up, frightened, but remembering that I had made it out of whatever place I was running through.

This could be your best one.  It's one of the better prog-electronic albums I've heard.
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Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:

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I get the same message Ouch ... all the other CoL uploads appear to be okay. Perhaps it will recover in a few hours, if not I'll re-upload it tomorrow.
 
It appears to be working again Big smile


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Thanks Dean, checking it out Thumbs Up
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Cool, downloading now Thumbs Up

And just a suggestion, have you tried Mediafire? It obviates the tedious waiting time for downloads.
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Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Cool, downloading now Thumbs Up

And just a suggestion, have you tried Mediafire? It obviates the tedious waiting time for downloads.
I looked at it sometime ago, but the 200Mb limit put me off (a few of my albums are >200Mb), however, in the interests of experimentation, I've established an account and uploaded "Moments", here it is:
 
 


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

The first time I tried listening to Carousel, I fell asleep (not the artist's fault- it was quite late and I'd been in the cups).  I snoozed during the second track, and wound up having an extremely vivid dream.  I was running from something in this steampunk-like factory, and whatever was chasing me had a very distinct groan (which was actually the low grumbling noises throughout the beginning of the second half of the piece).  At the end of the piece, I woke up, frightened, but remembering that I had made it out of whatever place I was running through.

This could be your best one.  It's one of the better prog-electronic albums I've heard.
Shocked I wanted to evoke a nightmare, not invoke one! Shocked 
 
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

The first time I tried listening to Carousel, I fell asleep (not the artist's fault- it was quite late and I'd been in the cups).  I snoozed during the second track, and wound up having an extremely vivid dream.  I was running from something in this steampunk-like factory, and whatever was chasing me had a very distinct groan (which was actually the low grumbling noises throughout the beginning of the second half of the piece).  At the end of the piece, I woke up, frightened, but remembering that I had made it out of whatever place I was running through.

This could be your best one.  It's one of the better prog-electronic albums I've heard.
Shocked I wanted to evoke a nightmare, not invoke one! Shocked 
 
 
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For a giggle I thought I'd catalogue all the Cacophony Of Light albums... all those listed here are real and actually exist, though one (Edge) hasn't been released as yet because it isn't finished and perhaps never will be:
 
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Song # Catalogue Number Album Title Year Track Duration Album Duration Track Number Song Title
1 SOD001CD Wake 2002 0:06:11 Track : 01 Aftermath
2 0:04:16 Track : 02 Arise
3 0:04:12 Track : 03 Awaken
4 0:04:48 Track : 04 Deathwatch
5 0:02:58 Track : 05 Backwash
6 0:05:12 Track : 06 Requiem
7 0:05:45 Track : 07 Vigil
8 0:03:24 Track : 08 Lament
9 0:04:26 Track : 09 Somniloquy
10 0:05:01 Track : 10 Eulogy
11 0:05:36 Track : 11 Epitaph
12 0:10:20 Track : 12 Wake
13 0:01:50 Track : 13 Memorial
14 0:00:13 1:04:12 Track : 14 The Penultimate Battle Triumphant … etc
15 SOD002CD Spunos 2002 0:07:00 Track : 01 Feldspar
16 0:07:00 Track : 02 Galena
17 0:07:00 Track : 03 Obsidian
18 0:07:00 Track : 04 Corundum
19 0:07:00 Track : 05 Nepheline
20 0:07:00 Track : 06 Trona
21 0:07:00 0:49:00 Track : 07 Gypsum
22 SOD003CD Edge 2002 0:04:02 Track : 01 The First Cut
23 0:05:10 Track : 02 Low Hopes
24 0:03:38 Track : 03 Corporeal Reflection
25 0:06:04 Track : 04 Let Me Be
26 0:08:26 Track : 05 Staring Into The Sun
27 0:04:59 Track : 06 Haemogoblin
28 0:02:51 Track : 07 I Don't Want Your Pity
29 0:04:37 Track : 08 Sanguine Reflection
30 0:07:27 Track : 09 Cast A Long Shadow
31 0:04:02 Track : 10 When The Bleeding Stops
32 0:04:20 0:55:36 Track : 11 The Last Cut
33 SOD004CD Penumbra 2002 0:03:30 Track : 01 Penumbra
34 0:04:24 Track : 02 Alpha Proxima
35 0:04:26 Track : 03 More To Life (than this)
36 0:03:03 Track : 04 One Sadness
37 0:03:45 Track : 05 Safely Tucked Up In Bed
38 0:04:11 Track : 06 Monochrome Colour Box
39 0:04:05 Track : 07 A Moment Lost (abridged)
40 0:06:11 Track : 08 Optimistic One
41 0:04:26 Track : 09 Premonition Too
42 0:05:02 Track : 10 Menagerie
43 0:05:46 0:48:49 Track : 11 Graphite Point
44 SOD005CD Moments 2002 0:07:40 Track : 01 A Moment Lost
45 0:07:04 Track : 02 A Moment In Time
46 0:06:45 Track : 03 A Moment With You
47 0:10:10 Track : 04 A Moment Alone
48 0:07:24 Track : 05 A Moment Between (Where You Have Just Been And Where You Are Going To)
49 0:08:26 Track : 06 A Moment Ago
50 0:06:19 Track : 07 A Moment In Thought
51 0:08:14 Track : 08 A Moment In Space
52 0:02:24 1:04:26 Track : 09 A Moment Regained
53 SOD006CD Drone 2002 1:00:00 1:00:00 Track : 01 Drone
54 SOD007CD Aibohphobia 2003 0:04:48 Track : 01 Erehwemos
55 0:03:12 Track : 02 The Truth About Birds And Time
56 0:04:29 Track : 03 Palindrome
57 0:13:18 Track : 04 The Truth About Birds And Rain
58 0:04:02 Track : 05 Define Symmetry
59 0:02:20 Track : 06 The Crab Canon (J.S. Bach, arr. CoL)
60 0:04:02 Track : 07 Divine Synergy
61 0:09:02 Track : 08 The Truth About Birds And Traffic
62 0:04:09 Track : 09 Palindrone
63 0:07:57 Track : 10 The Truth About Birds And Planes
64 0:04:48 1:02:07 Track : 11 Nowhere
65 SOD008CD Moirai 2003 0:05:55 Track : 01 Darkness And Night
66 0:10:52 Track : 02 The Spinner Of The Future
67 0:19:28 Track : 03 The Apportioner Of The Present
68 0:21:28 0:57:43 Track : 04 The Destiny Of The Past
69 SOD009CD Passing 2003 0:05:05 Track : 01 Passing Wind & Whethering
70 0:07:18 Track : 02 Passing Out The Other Side
71 0:05:22 Track : 03 Passing Without Due Cause
72 0:04:48 Track : 04 Passing Trade & Industry
73 0:04:25 Track : 05 Passing Issues
74 0:05:26 Track : 06 Passing Currents
75 0:05:03 Track : 07 Passing Broad Thoughts From Home
76 0:01:16 Track : 08 Passing Whole Life Support
77 0:04:29 Track : 09 Passing Sleep
78 0:08:33 0:51:45 Track : 10 Passing Strangers In The Rain
79 SOD010CD Antiquarian 2003 0:09:14 Track : 01 Mên-An-Tol
80 0:11:16 Track : 02 Lanyon Quoit
81 0:08:45 Track : 03 Mên Scryfa
82 0:04:05 Track : 04 The Merry Maidens
83 0:07:06 Track : 05 The Pipers
84 0:10:09 0:50:35 Track : 06 Tregiffian (A Moment Ago Part 2)
85 SOD011CD The Gaia Cacophony - Dawn 2003 1:00:00 1:00:00 Track : 01 Dawn
86 SOD012CD The Gaia Cacophony - Evolve 2003 1:00:00 1:00:00 Track : 01 Evolve
87 SOD013CD The Gaia Cacophony - Forever 2003 1:00:00 1:00:00 Track : 01 Forever
88 SOD014CD Incidental 2003 0:08:56 Track : 01 Incidentally
89 0:05:31 Track : 02 The Way Of The World
90 0:03:56 Track : 03 Cynical Sex Scene
91 0:02:55 Track : 04 A Short Walk To The Edge
92 0:04:48 Track : 05 Love Theme
93 0:09:55 Track : 06 Yesterday [Was The Last Day Of The Rest Of Your Life - Part 1]
94 0:07:05 Track : 07 Obligatory Car Chase
95 0:03:15 0:46:21 Track : 08 Kevin's Cosmic Coffee-Break
96 SOD015CD Eponymous 2003 0:20:02 Track : 01 The Eponymous Hero
97 0:20:01 Track : 02 The Heroic Adventure
98 0:20:02 1:00:05 Track : 03 The Hero's Return
99 SOD016CD The Mathematica Cacophony - Geometric 2004 0:12:10 Track : 01 Ambivalent Geometry
100 0:28:34 Track : 02 Cubing The Sphere
101 0:16:00 0:56:44 Track : 03 Infinity Minus One
102 SOD017CD The Mathematica Cacophony - Derivative 2004 0:15:35 Track : 01 Derivate The Function f(v) - First Derivative
103 0:07:47 Track : 02 Derivate The Function f(v) - Second Derivative
104 0:05:33 Track : 03 Derivate The Function f(v) - dv/dt
105 0:21:00 Track : 04 (Na, K)AlSiO4
106 0:18:20 1:08:15 Track : 05 My God! It's Full Of Stairs
107 SOD018CD The Mathematica Cacophony - Quantify 2004 0:24:00 Track : 01 Down The Quantum Well
108 0:48:00 1:12:00 Track : 02 In Search of Dark Matter
109 SOD019CD Reflects 2004 0:18:26 Track : 01 Escape Into Evening
110 0:11:56 Track : 02 The Fallen
111 0:13:52 Track : 03 Reflects/Reflex
112 0:08:13 0:52:27 Track : 04 Hot Love (M. Bolan, arr. CoL)
113 SOD020CD Rookery 2004 0:50:00 0:50:00 Track : 01 The Parliament of Rooks
114 SOD021CD ffrantic 2004 0:00:46 Track : 01 ffrantic
115 0:03:52 Track : 02 Narrow Streets
116 0:03:41 Track : 03 Hi-Rise
117 0:04:22 Track : 04 We'll Be Late
118 0:03:53 Track : 05 Panic Attack
119 0:05:26 Track : 06 Sala City
120 0:04:29 Track : 07 Congestion Charge
121 0:03:36 Track : 08 Demand And Supply
122 0:03:13 Track : 09 Urban Chaos Theory
123 0:03:17 Track : 10 Commuter Oasis
124 0:03:00 Track : 11 Commercial Sector
125 0:04:46 Track : 12 A Night In
126 0:05:33 Track : 13 A Night Out
127 0:04:24 0:54:18 Track : 14 Take My Hand
128 SOD022CD Ambivalent 2004 0:08:00 Track : 01 Ambiotic
129 0:09:48 Track : 02 Ambivalent
130 0:23:54 Track : 03 Amblyopia
131 0:12:50 0:54:32 Track : 04 Ambridged
132 SOD023CD Kinesis 2004 0:05:31 Track : 01 Kinesis - part 1
133 0:05:52 Track : 02 Spring is a State of Mind
134 0:04:53 Track : 03 Kinesis - part 2
135 0:06:21 Track : 04 Scissors/Paper/Rock (An Accident Waiting to Happen)
136 0:03:57 Track : 05 Kinesis - part 3
137 0:04:02 Track : 06 Burning Trees
138 0:04:36 Track : 07 Kinesis - part 4
139 0:03:30 Track : 08 Interlude
140 0:10:43 Track : 09 Kinesis - part 5
141 0:05:17 0:54:42 Track : 10 Two Sadness
142 SOD024CD Masks 2004 0:07:26 Track : 01 Façade (phizog)
143 0:13:48 Track : 02 Oh, Know No Noh
144 0:19:57 Track : 03 Commedia dell'Arte
145 0:21:54 Track : 04 Those Masks
146 0:03:10 Track : 05 Façade (epilogue)
147 0:05:38 1:11:53 Track : 06 These Masks (single edit)
148 SOD025CD Shadows 2004 1:09:59 1:09:59 Track : 01 Shadows
149 SOD026CD Benign 2004 0:13:08 Track : 01 b1
150 0:08:39 Track : 02 b2
151 0:05:12 Track : 03 b3
152 0:04:46 Track : 04 b4
153 0:23:33 Track : 05 b5
154 0:05:29 Track : 06 b6
155 0:02:16 Track : 07 b7
156 0:14:15 1:17:18 Track : 08 b8
157 SOD027CD Impasse 2004 0:05:22 Track : 01 Counting The Stars
158 0:51:55 Track : 02 Ecologic Impasse
159 0:06:45 1:04:02 Track : 03 Front Ear
160 SOD028CD Humdrum 2004 0:16:48 Track : 01 That's Weird
161 0:09:59 Track : 02 Humdrum
162 0:03:37 Track : 03 Contemporary Amnesia
163 0:11:22 Track : 04 (Like A) Dandelion Seed In The Wind
164 0:08:52 Track : 05 The Cosmic Innumerator
165 0:02:15 0:52:53 Track : 06 Pop Tarts
166 SOD029CD Untitled 2004 0:14:49 Track : 01 fourteen:forty-nine
167 0:10:17 Track : 02 ten:seventeen
168 0:21:04 Track : 03 twenty-one:oh-four
169 0:06:30 0:52:40 Track : 04 six:thirty
170 SOD030CD Carousel 2004 0:05:43 Track : 01 Into The Pantomime
171 0:05:04 Track : 02 Panicking Pachyderm
172 0:05:36 Track : 03 Send Home The Clowns
173 0:04:26 Track : 04 Hippodrone
174 0:21:39 0:42:28 Track : 05 Caroustabout
175 SOD031CD Laze 2004 0:11:28 Track : 01 Tomorrow Knows
176 0:24:00 Track : 02 Just A Phase
177 0:21:12 0:56:40 Track : 03 Stupor
178 SOD032CD Omni 2004 0:15:27 Track : 01 Omni 1
179 0:20:07 Track : 02 Omni 2
180 0:15:20 0:50:54 Track : 03 Omni 3
181 SOD033CD Nonentity 2004 0:02:45 Track : 01 Divisor
182 0:04:28 Track : 02 Numerator
183 0:20:10 Track : 03 Operand
184 0:14:30 Track : 04 Denominator
185 0:13:04 Track : 05 Persecutor
186 0:03:45 0:58:42 Track : 06 Underture
187 SOD034CD Trilithon 2004 1:02:26 1:02:26 Track : 01 Trilithon Ascendancy
188 SOD035CD Voracious 2004 0:31:03 Track : 01 Eat The World
189 0:15:14 Track : 02 A Plague of Humans
190 0:04:32 Track : 03 Tastes Like Chicken
191 0:06:50 0:57:39 Track : 04 Area Of Outstanding Natural Beauty
192 SOD036CD The West/Wind Cacophony - Xolotl 2004 0:53:11 0:53:11 Track : 01 Xolotl and Quetzalcoatl
193 SOD037CD The West/Wind Cacophony - Yaponcha 2004 0:53:15 0:53:15 Track : 01 Two Little War Gods Travel West
194 SOD038CD The West/Wind Cacophony - Zephyrus 2004 1:00:29 1:00:29 Track : 01 Cave Dweller
195 SOD039CD Fluidic 2004 0:30:06 Track : 01 The Gaia Flow
196 0:30:55 1:01:01 Track : 02 The Fluidic Process of Thought
197 SOD040CD Landscapes 2004 0:17:00 Track : 01 Imbolc 
198 0:17:00 Track : 02 Beltane
199 0:17:00 Track : 03 Lammas
200 0:17:00 1:08:00 Track : 04 Samhain
201 SOD041CD Goldfish 2005 1:00:00 1:00:00 Track : 01 The Song Of The Goldfish
202 SOD042CD Radio 2005 0:06:00 Track : 01 Aether
203 0:27:00 Track : 02 The Luxembourg Effect - Part 1
204 0:06:10 Track : 03 Wonderful 208
205 0:27:10 1:06:20 Track : 04 The Luxembourg Effect - Part 2
206 SOD043CD Ballet 2005 0:20:43 Track : 01 Prima Ballerina
207 0:34:11 0:54:54 Track : 02 Dancing On The Edge Of Time
208 SOD044CD Goffish 2005 1:00:00 1:00:00 Track : 01 The Snog Of The Goffish
209 SOD045CD Mode1 2005 0:06:25 Track : 01 March To A Diffident Drum
210 0:08:20 Track : 02 The Drake's Progress
211 0:08:10 Track : 03 Conquest And Empire
212 0:18:54 Track : 04 The Stigmata Martyr Stigma
213 0:21:20 1:03:09 Track : 05 It Doesn't Matter What Car You Drive When You Are Lost
214 SOD046CD Mode2 2005 01:05:06 1:05:06 Track : 01 The Stigma Variation
215 SOD047CD Indulge 2005 01:15:00 1:15:00 Track : 01 Dream Off
216 SOD048CD Metamorph 2005 01:05:30 1:05:30 Track : 01 Tessellation Boulevard
217 SOD049CD Oligarch 2005 00:06:39 Track : 01 Kuiper
218 00:08:00 Track : 02 Quaoar
219 00:05:52 Track : 03 Sedna
220 00:04:33 Track : 04 Ixion
221 00:07:54 Track : 05 Oort
222 00:06:35 Track : 06 Orcus
223 00:06:24 Track : 07 Chiron
224 00:00:10 Track : 08 Charon
225 00:02:02 Track : 09 Varuna
226 00:05:41 0:53:50 Track : 10 Planet X
227 SOD050CD Pilgrim 2005 00:03:48 Track : 01 Valiant Overture
228 00:06:09 Track : 02 Dark-land
229 00:05:20 Track : 03 The Slough of Despond
230 00:04:48 Track : 04 Beelzebub Castle
231 00:05:25 Track : 05 The Wicket Gate
232 0:03:58 Track : 06 The Hill Difficulty
233 00:06:07 Track : 07 The Valley of Humiliation
234 00:05:34 Track : 08 Valley of the Shadow of Death
235 00:03:36 Track : 09 Doubting Castle
236 00:08:00 Track : 10 Who Would True Valour See
237 00:04:50 Track : 11 The Enchanted Ground
238 00:07:40 1:05:15 Track : 12 The Celestial Country
239 SOD051CD Stateless 2005 00:05:52 Track : 01 The 51st Stateless
240 00:17:30 Track : 02 A Toe Nail Poem
241 00:05:39 Track : 03 Polymorphilla
242 00:15:45 Track : 04 Go Go Gothic Gatling Gun!
243 00:06:13 0:50:59 Track : 05 Intro Red
243   Total   50:07:10      
 
  • I've also produced three anthologies/compilation albums for each year (named: "Some", "More" and "Bits") but I haven't bothered listing them here - there should have been a forth one called "Done" taken from 2005 albums but it never was.
  • I've also done an album of cover versions (T Rex, Dido, Tori Amos, Billie Holiday, Bjork, NIN, Philip Glass & Slipknot), but for copywrong reasons, it's not available anywhere.
  • Album titles with hyperlinks are available for free download (click the link) ... note: "Stateless" is downloadable via LastFM.
  • Catalogue Numbers with hyperlinks take you to the Amazon page where you can buy a hardcopy.
  • The next Amazon release will be "Untitled" if I can ever get the upload to work without timing-out.
  • If anyone has any requests of what to upload next, please ask.
  • If anyone wants a handmade one-off kitchen table hardcopy of anything and are willing to pay the postage, PM me.
  • If anyone feels like adding lyrics and singing to any of these, PM me.
  • If anyone wants to record cover versions of any of these, feel free.
  • If anyone wants to use anything in a film project, PM me.
 


Edited by Dean - June 05 2011 at 06:58


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


 
I have been playing around with a couple of online vanity presses to see if they are a worthwhile method of self-releasing CDs. The two I have looked at are www.lulu.com and www.createspace.com - both are fairly well known for self-publishing books and both offer a service of converting your album tracks to a hardcopy CD-R (called CD On Demand) complete with full-colour artwork and disc label. To try these services out I have released one of my early CDs by this route.
 
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Dean, I remember you made a similar post where you compared in detail a few online vanity presses for books, but I can't seem to find it. Do you remember it, or am I just imagining it? Thanks. Embarrassed
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I have been playing around with a couple of online vanity presses to see if they are a worthwhile method of self-releasing CDs. The two I have looked at are www.lulu.com and www.createspace.com - both are fairly well known for self-publishing books and both offer a service of converting your album tracks to a hardcopy CD-R (called CD On Demand) complete with full-colour artwork and disc label. To try these services out I have released one of my early CDs by this route.
 
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Dean, I remember you made a similar post where you compared in detail a few online vanity presses for books, but I can't seem to find it. Do you remember it, or am I just imagining it? Thanks. Embarrassed
I think you must have imagined it - I have mentioned print-on-demand vanity publishing, but not gone into any detail. What do you want to know?
 
 


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Thanks Dean. I see you're using Amazon / Lulu; are there any notable differences to their CD publishing process?

I see you have proof copies of your book from both providers - did you notice a difference in paper and print quality? Also, did you happen to happen to have colour images in your books? The quality of colour printing is what would interest me most.

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Quality wise Lulu and Createspace are about equal on books, and the processes to get a book into print are also similar for both (on balance Lulu is perhaps a little easier, but not by much).
 
I make my own .pdf files and upload them rather than let them convert my Word documents - that gives me more control over formatting and layout since not all pdf writers convert Word docs the same - I use CutePDF - it's freeware and  works really well.
 
I don't have colour images in my books so I don't know what the quality is like - B/W images are a little grainy in a B/W book. My first book (Darqlands) was originally a full-colour webnovel with over 200 images - I reduced that to about 20 monochrome images for the final book. Full colour books are stupidly expensive - for example on Createspace a 200 page 5x8 full-colour book is $25.75 while the black'n'white version is only $5.50, and you cannot mix full-colour pages in a B/W book, so if only 1 page is colour, the other 199 pages are costed as colour too. Full colour is best for low page-count large format books - for example 50 pages @ 8x10 would be $7.75 (don't forget to add on about $7 per book shipping with Createspace).
 
The covers are full-colour regardless - and as they are CMYK print and not RGB they need gamma correcting to get the colour exactly right - I didn't bother so my royal-blue covers have a slight purple tint to them, but I quite like that.
 
 
ps: with Createspace you can skip the Proof copy stage if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it - it's surprising how many mistakes you spot in the first print copy that you never saw on the PC monitor.
 


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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:


Vomps might have other questions - it appears the time is ripe for a Vompatti anthology.
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LOL Looks like Alex has appointed himself your manager and agent Wink
 
 
 
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Thanks a lot Dean!

Those prices don't look high from a French perspective; here a new, medium-sized, book with no illustrations at all costs from 15 to 25 euros. The 50 page @ 8x10 colour book you mentioned at 15 dollars (10 euros) print+shipping would be perfect for me. I doubt I'll ever try going to treaty size, so an illustrated essay would fit in there perfectly. I'd only need to actually write something interesting...
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:


Vomps might have other questions - it appears the time is ripe for a Vompatti anthology.
Omg rly I dunno k Shocked Embarrassed
LOL Looks like Alex has appointed himself your manager and agent Wink
 
 
 
(...busy on the phone, selling coloured photographs to magazines back home)
Lol yes. But I think I will look into this Createspace thingy when I've actually written something worth printing. Smile
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:


Vomps might have other questions - it appears the time is ripe for a Vompatti anthology.
Omg rly I dunno k Shocked Embarrassed
LOL Looks like Alex has appointed himself your manager and agent Wink
 
 
 
(...busy on the phone, selling coloured photographs to magazines back home)
Lol yes. But I think I will look into this Createspace thingy when I've actually written something worth printing. Smile
I skipped that stage. Big smile


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Oh noble bard, Dean, if one is setting oneself up as an author, ought it to be a given that one's biography has no spelling errors?


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