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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2008 at 21:26
Have you ever given a listen to RPI singers from some of those 70s groups ? Operatic influences abound ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 14:03
If you are going to recommend Meshuggah i will recommend Mnemic.  Similar styles, but Meshuggah > Mnemic of course =P
Still another great band if you like Meshuggah.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 14:06
Originally posted by ~Rael~ ~Rael~ wrote:

Originally posted by popeyethecat popeyethecat wrote:

Picking the right type of vocals for Metal is VERY difficult. Hair Metal vocals? Death Metal vocals? Black Metal vocals? As much as I LOVE Metal (and not just the Prog stuff) pretty much ALL the vocal styles are...awful. Or you could go the other way and have Nightwish-y vocals, but although they can be very good, I'm not a fan of that either. The music is so aggressive that it's very difficult to get it right. I'd love to be in a band, but I can't do anywere near any of those styles (being female and not a soprano...or Angela Gossow).

So here's the question, whose vocals do you LIKE?
 
Well, Pain of Salvation is my favorite band, and Gildenlow is the most talented vocalist I know of. Even though Gildenlow's voice can get to that high falsetto, he can pull it off. I'm not into death metal vocals, but Opeth is the exception, especially since Akerfeldt's clean vocals are very good. I like a mixture of screaming and singing in my metal, and prefer singing over screaming. All screaming and no singing can wear my down. I love Colors by Between the Buried and Me, but I wish they would sing a bit more. I love Tool.

Give maudlin of the Well a try, they strike a great balance between growls and clean IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:08

Its discussions like this that point to the reasons that I love bands like:

Canvas Solaris

Dysrhythmia

Behold...the Arctopus

Blotted Science

Gordian Knot

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2008 at 22:32
^A damn fine list of (pretty much) instrumental stuff there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2008 at 00:22
Well, i hear what your sayin'.  Though i personally like that style, and wish i could sing like that.  Unfortunately, i cant.  I myself am a singer in a prog band, and i have a low voice.  and as far as inspiration goes to accomidate my vocal range.  You might try listining to The band falconor.

Anyway, back to your question.  I think its just a set style thing,  and you will have to admit it does work, or else the mass wouldnt be buying it.  Though i disagree with placing Russel allen of symphony x in that catagory, i seen them live and i will say, he has one of the most amaizing voices there is, both vocaly and in range. And their are plenty of more modern prog bands whos singers arnt like that.  Take the Flower Kings for instance, or The Frost(which went down a Pop style of singing). 


Oh, and dont forget Andromeda;s vocalist( the new one, from the album chimera)  He sounds more like some modern rock singer.   I like it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2008 at 07:00
Originally posted by leifthewarrior leifthewarrior wrote:

  you will have to admit it does work, or else the mass wouldnt be buying it.


Not a good way of telling if something works, sadly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2008 at 01:38
true popeyethecat 

I guess i did use a bad reasoning. after all, the mass is also buying terd bands like

Nirvana

Slipknot

Mudvayne

good charlot

fall out boy

i mean seriously,  those bands suck

Suck suck suck

end of discussion, ignorant, senseless, brainless crap. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2008 at 17:13
I guess there's a misunderstanding as to what hair metal singing is like. I went straight from hair metal into progressive rock and metal, and the only prog metal bands with "hair metal vocals" (which aren't very different from pop, as most hair /glam metal IS a pop version of metal) are the bands that actually were around in the eighties like Savatage, Queensryche, and Fates Warning, and even then barely so. The only band I can think of off the top of my head with anything similar to hair metal vocals is Shadow Gallery. I'd say LaBrie's vocals are closer to alternative rock than hair metal (that was exactly my first impression upon hearing them for the first time). Symphony X vocals are almost more thrash and neoclassical influenced than hair.
Then again, if you're talking about good hair metal like Scorpions or the prog 80s metal bands listed above, I can see where you're coming from.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 23:49
I enjoy the hair-metal style of singing, when it's applied to those types of lyrics. One of the things I look for in vocalists is a lot of range, and the ability to hit the limits of that range while remaining melodic instead of screaming, yet also being high expressive emotionally. (Probably why Geoff Tate is my absolute most favorite vocalist ever...)

But there is a lot of prog-metal that doesn't use that style, as has been mentioned above.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 23:59
I definetely think of it as more power metal than hair metal. I guess it's a bit similar, but I think power metal is more purposefully demanding (And EPIC!!!!) to go with the style, while hair metal is more pop oriented.
 
Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't get on peoples' nerves.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 00:10
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

I definetely think of it as more power metal than hair metal. I guess it's a bit similar, but I think power metal is more purposefully demanding (And EPIC!!!!) to go with the style, while hair metal is more pop oriented.
 
Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't get on peoples' nerves.

I never thought of it that way. I usually associated it with Bruce Dickinson before I did with... that Dragonforce guy...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:44
try King Diamond
he does mid range AND falsetto


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:31
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

try King Diamond
he does mid range AND falsetto


I actually love King Diamond! You know when you like something that goes against everything you usually like?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 14:40
Originally posted by popeyethecat popeyethecat wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

try King Diamond
he does mid range AND falsetto


I actually love King Diamond! You know when you like something that goes against everything you usually like?

sort of
it's stupid and really predictable but its addictive at the same time
that might be because I hate myself I dunno


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 14:46
Originally posted by ~Rael~ ~Rael~ wrote:

I love Opeth. . . and I have never heard any 80s metal sounding lyrics. Unless there is on some of thier eralier stuff.
 
Pain of Salvation is my favorite band, but I'll check out those others. And I just listened to a track from Canvas Solaris on myspace. It is interesting, for sure.
 
And Meshuggah. I downloaded one of thier CDs, and couldn't get into it. Not enough meldoy, though the technacality is impressive.
 
I can't get into Meshuggah either, not enough melody, and most of the songs sound extremely alike.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2008 at 09:24
Progressive Metal bands tend to look for singers who can attain high pitches and have a very wide range.
Most of those singers have and '80's style'.

But few singers like Daniel Gildenlöw still combine wide range and original timber.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2008 at 09:59
One of the things that instantly makes or breaks a band for me is the timbre of the voice. Some of the most popular bands of all time are popular simply because of the distinctiveness of the singer.
 
The voice you're talking about is the voice pioneered most famously by Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford, which is a little different than Bon Jovi and Poison and true hair metal. But Labrie and to me more importantly Geoff Tate took that style into prog and as two of the foundation bands for prog metal, it stuck.
 
Gildenlow has branched out some but to me he's takes from Mike Patton and Geoff Tate, but manages not to sound 80's.
 
Most of the bands mentioned here are not really prog metal to me, Akerfeld and Devin Townsend produce some of my favorite music these days, but it's not prog metal.
 
There is a band called Braindance who did an interesting album with significant prog elements before going electronic/goth.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2008 at 10:40
Well Dream Theater is a modern day Journey, that's what I've come to realize. So of course they sound 80s, they're still living in the 80s.

And I heard Symphony X before I heard Queensryche, but I agree that Russell Allen sounds a lot like Geoff Tate. In a good way!

Nothing is wrong with sounding like the 80s, it clearly works for Symphony X.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2008 at 03:31
Some people like Journey Smile
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