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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 04:15
Originally posted by yorkiemarillion yorkiemarillion wrote:

For the person who said they just wanted to try out the music and didnt want to be bombarded with emails from Marillion.  You can do that with the wma file - it has a popup video attached, but you can still hear all the music on your computer.  However you cannot burn the track elsewhere.

Only if you like the music, and want a burnable mp3 copy, do you have to repsond to the popup window with your email address - then you can get the album for free in burnable form.

I would also note that Marillion do not bombard people with emails - one every couple of mnonths - hell Amazon are much worse!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 04:58
Originally posted by Jorvik Jorvik wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

I hope I like this one. The last release, to me, was marginal.



I'm with you on that one.

Each successive album seems to generate more and more hyperbole from certain fans. For me, Anoraknophobia is the best thing they've done in recent years and Marbles was so-so, with about one CD's worth of really decent music.

I wasn't at all impressed with Somewhere Else, although I'll admit I've not listened to it a huge amount (there wasn't enough to make me want to listen to it more or at least give it the benefit of the doubt) and I've not listened to it for a while. Hell, I'm not listened to any Marillion in a while; I think I need to start gearing up for the new release and listen to a load and get in the right frame of mind.
 
I thought Marbles was a masterpiece, but have to agree about Somewhere Else.  It's good to hear that those that have downloaded the new one think it sounds strong.
 
BTW, is the downloaded album the same as the CD release?  The CD release is a double disc, is the download a 'double'?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 06:42
It's the double.You really can hear the limitations of an MP3 file and sure the actual CD will sound a ton better, but it's passable.

I loaded it up on my iPod and took it on my walk yesterday and am even more psyched about the new album. It was pricey, but SO worth it. Great, great album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 07:38

I hadn't preordered it as of yet (will do next week) but I still downloaded the MP3 for nothing. You have to give your e-mail address to get access to either an MP3 file OR/AND a WMA file IF you file-share/torrent, with the request that only the WMA files are torrented. I don't even know how to torrent so I stuck with the MP3. Those who had pre-ordered were contacted via e-mail so that they had the opportunity before anyone else. I can live with the odd e-mail from the band and in any case I've bought from the band before (via postal order, though).

I'll still be buying the album as I want it in high quality, it's just a fill-in until I get the album.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 15:04
I attempted to post the album yesterday and for some reason it wouldn't let me.  Gave up.

By the way I did not have to give up my e-mail address.  Not that I would mind.  I get so much junk in my e-mail (had the address for more years than I can count) it's nice to get junk e-mail you actually like. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 16:12
I think the reason they're asking for email addresses and tracking your location is so they have an idea of the more popular areas to tour (presumbly in 2010, considering that they're booked for the next two years). Hopefully this means we'll finally get some US dates. hell, I'd drive as far as Chicago or New York to see Marillion.

As Mark Kelly stated himself, most bands with record deals don't get much money from album sales anyway. It's a somewhat different scenario for Marillion, but at least this way they can find the more popular areas to play shows.

I haven't preordered the album (the preorder costs the equivalent of 60 American Dollars which I simply do not have), but I will be buying it when it comes out. And I really hope the band comes to the States eventually, 'cause I'd love to see them and support them.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 16:24
Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by BigBoss BigBoss wrote:

this is just sad


Do you mean that you're sad about Marillion making the album available for free download?  Not good for business.  You guys are getting hit in many ways (from bands making albums available for free, to bands selling albums online directly, to illegitimate downloading etc.).  If things keep up, you're hardly the only one in your biz who risks going from being a big boss to a little bass (as in the fish -- big fish, little fish).


What is sad is that the artist is basically saying they can not make money by selling a CD.  They have to resort to pushing ancillary merchandise through mass e-mailings to make a buck (or quid as it were). I see a lot more of this happening.  If it works out for Marillion, then great.  But it can't work for everyone.

I'm not a Marillion fan and only own Brave.  I would like to check it out if it is as good as Eric says, but don't know that I want a bunch of Marillion e-mails in my in box.  And if I don't buy the CD, should I feel guilty for downloading and not buying merchandise?


Yes, that is sad.  Bands have been forced to adapt new strategies -- some have fared much better than others in this climate.  With many bands, it is concerts where they make their living, of course.  Even before, many were hard done by as they got a small cut of the record sales (the ones on radio flourished, not just because of publicity that led to record sales, but royalties).  In some ways, things have improved for  bands.  The internet has meant that they could be better-known, and more chance for concerts, and they could sell CDs directly online (or work with distributors like CD Baby which are very fair).  And it has become cheaper to produce quality music for CDs with new technology

It's even harder, though, for companies like BigBoss's to adapt (turn a profit) than many bands these days.  Many middle-men (distributors between the consumer and band) are having a hard time.  BigBoss, of course, took hard measures by going after the bloggers threatening legal action to protect his livelihood.  This is something that bands would be much more reluctant to do as they don't wish to upset the community, or alienate people -- don't want to seem like a big bad bully (public image)  -- note how many bands publicly say that art is more important than commerce and they're just happy that their art is being heard?  I'm sure this is true in quite a few cases, but what band that loves what they do wouldn't like to be able to earn a living at it, thereby being able to devote themselves to their art without having to bus tables or whatever during the day).  And it's not just BigBoss and such people, distributors and record companies, and bands that suffer, but also employees of people such as BigBoss -- yes, the LittlePeople.  Many livelihoods are at stake.  Some embrace the new realities, especially with direct sales of CDs, thinking it will bring down costs, but when it's free people don't want to buy (unless it's free in poor quality).  That said, the buying of mp3s is doing well -- it's affordable, and it's been clear that digital distribution is the way to go for many years (too often that distribution is P2P, and not sales, though).  I thought many years ago that much as it works for TV (advertising pays for the programs) that streaming "radio-on-demand" with ads could help bands.  Choose songs, ads come with it.  Of course such crass commercialism does not lend itself well to art, in a way.

But, as always the bread and butter of a great many bands (well, as always, many bands, even very good ones, can't make a living with music) is concerts (and CD sales at concerts help).  Too many good bands I knew found themselves playing dingy clubs/ bars in return for free beer - but they sure loved their beer, but the music got sloppier the more beer they drank... And so some not only couldn't make money at their craft, but became alcoholic welfare recipients).


Edited by Logan - September 11 2008 at 16:45
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 16:25

Harry, I assume that you are aware of them having a Marillionfest in Montreal next year (at least I thought that was what I had heard).  That isn't too far to travel, although it does require going to a foreign country where French is predominantly spoke. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 16:59
I thought it was in Toronto. Anyway, that would require getting The Husband a passport, finding my passport (and hoping it hasn't expired), paying for plane tickets and a hotel, and the tickets themselves... all in all it would cost us over $1000.

I love Marillion, but in order to come up with that kind of money I'd have to make a deal with a crooked lone shark and have my legs broken the day before the show. It'd be much less painful to wait for them to come to a closer venue. And if enough people in major US cities download the new album, they might decide to come to the US in a couple of years.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 17:08
Logan, always like your insight.  I just don't know how most of the zillions of bands out there can put their time, effort and love into making recordings and see nothing come from it monetarily.  Not all bands can tour and many that do play to small crowds and are lucky to cover expenses.  I'm a guy that thinks in terms of supply and demand and turning a profit or getting out of the game.  I know music transcends that thinking in certain ways and I am glad to see the old established ways are being turned on their ear.  Adapt or die.  I wish Marillion luck in their effort to move the process along for the greater good as well as their own. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 17:08

Since I was on the Marillion website for other things I checked and it is in Montreal, April 3-5.  But either way the same logistics apply. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 17:13
I would suspect that Marillion's biggest hope is that they will be discovered by the internet generation and gain fame and fortune through the word of mouth that comes from the news of a band offering their album for free.  Hopefully, it will help increase concert revenue and demand, and possibly revenue and demand for previous releases.  But again I suppose that most of those are already available illegally so they wouldn't gain much there.  Possibly, there is revenue involved in website traffic.  I don't know how exactly how that works, and how similar that would be to PA's situation where the revenues may help to cover the cost of the website but not enough to get rich off of.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 17:26
Even if they were to expand their fan base and sell more of their back catalog in CD format, would they get any of that money?  Laser's Edge got a bunch of their repressings and have been selling them for 13 or 14 bucks.  I would be interested if the band get a cut. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 17:38

Good question.  They probably get a better cut from what they sell at their own site through Racket Records. 

I think that Radiohead got a lot of free press through their release.  Whether Marillion will or not is another story.  They have a loyal following but it isn't nearly as large as Radiohead.  But being a free download maybe they would show up on charts as a top weekly/monthly download.  That would at least generate interest for others and if they like it they will tell their friends who will tell their friends.  Maybe if the numbers are large enough, stadiums/arenas/concert promoters will notice and ask them to come to different locations where maybe new demand has been developed.  Radios will notice and start playing the song or songs and they can maybe generate some royalties that way.  In an ideal world this is what could happen.  Unfortunately, the flipside, is all of their loyal fans that they could count on to purchase the album could now download it for free and they would lose all those revenues too.  Probably, many pre-ordered and many want to own the physical CD, but there will be those that won't look a gift horse in the mouth either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 19:09
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

hey might decide to come to the US in a couple of years.




I hope, but wasn't about to take a chance on that. I figure Montreal will be my best chance to see them, so I'm off to meet up with some friends from the old Opium Den forum. 3 shows in 3 days. Now THAT'S cool! I just hope they don't do an all covers show like the last one.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 20:24
I also pre-ordered the CD, and i am really tempt to download it before i get the album, but i'm going to take Marillion's advise on their web site to wait to listen the actual CD for the first time and not spoil the impression of the quality of the album listening to a lesser audio sharpness. I rather wait.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2008 at 06:58
Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

Even if they were to expand their fan base and sell more of their back catalog in CD format, would they get any of that money?  Laser's Edge got a bunch of their repressings and have been selling them for 13 or 14 bucks.  I would be interested if the band get a cut. 


The band own all the rights to their last 3 albums (Anoraknophobia, Marbles and Somewhere Else), so that would be 100% profit on back catalogue.  They had a record company for the 3 albums before but maintained a major stake in the music.  Their first 8 albums were made with EMI, and so they get less return (although much more return if the fans buy direct from them).

I think the reasons the model may work for Marillion are that

a) they covered their costs with the pre-order
b) they have a big enough back catalogue, which they own quite a large amount of
c) they tour fairly large venues (ca. 1000 covers) and can sell plenty of merchandise
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2008 at 08:38
Originally posted by FranMuzak FranMuzak wrote:

I also pre-ordered the CD, and i am really tempt to download it before i get the album, but i'm going to take Marillion's advise on their web site to wait to listen the actual CD for the first time and not spoil the impression of the quality of the album listening to a lesser audio sharpness. I rather wait.

Speaking personally, the quality of the music outweighs the quality of the MP3.  I'll be highly and pleasantly surprised if the audio quality of the CD is dramatically better than the download. 

Give it a try, trust me, you won't hurt yourself. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2008 at 18:57
I'll download it just to make sure it's not an insult to Marillion (aka crap), but I'll probably end up buying anyway if it's decent. I hate not having the case and liner notes.LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2008 at 19:32
I Bought it (mp3 download 320 bit) today through MusicGlue.com . Paid 4CAD plus service charge for $5 something. I figure they get more that way then from the physical CD royalty.
I've also bought the new DOA album for $7 last week through the Sudden Death Records website. Same idea, but a set price - $7 something service fee included for a 14 song album.
Point - mp3 sales through official download sites, at a reasonable price will attract more than the avid fan. I am still getting into Hogarth era Marillion. So far, I have Marbles and Brave. But I hope they eventually put the entire back catalogue out for sale this way.
You know, some people would rather pay than steal if they could get it at a reasonable price. And please , $19 for the various middlemen, and $1 for the band is not reasonable.
If Marillion gets 25,000 others doing like me, they've grossed $100 000. Would they get the same from worldwide sales of 25 000 CDs ? I even posted a question at Marillion.com asking if my $4 was more than their per CD royalty rate.
The future is tomorrow. You have to live today.

P.S. music-wise ... so far so good. And the music is good.. Can't understand the complaints about the sound quality.   Hogarth's voice always reminds me of Tim Finn, and most things Finn are fine by me.Except when the Finns win the World Hockey championship LOL



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