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raggy 
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 Posted: April 11 2004 at 19:05 |
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Curved Air's anthemic "Vivaldi" is a fine adaptation of "The 4 seasons", but the version by Sky (Sky 2) is also well worth a listen. Toccata and Fugue in D minor (J.S.Bach) also gets a good seeing to. Francis Monkman was in both bands but Sky never get a mention on these pages, Sky 2 is highly recommended to lovers of classical prog.
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richardh
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Posted: April 11 2004 at 19:07 |
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I like Sky 2 as well.The first Sky album is also decent.After making the second album Monkman left and it went a bit downhill.
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Hammar
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 10:20 |
I recently started to listen to Tchaikovsky, man it's brilliant! In terms of progressive classical I think Shostakovich is a genius. Some of his compositions give me the same experience as prog, symphonies 5 and 10 in particular. Several RIO-bands have picked up elements from him.
Carl Orff, the Magma influencer?? I think Orff is more romantic. Carmina Burana is highly recommended. Great arrangements with choirs.
Many of the Italian progbands are influenced by the classical composers. My opinion is that bands like PFM (in particular), Banco, Le orme and Latte e Miele combines rock and classic as good as ELP. But not as good as Gentle Giant of course...
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 10:50 |
 richardh wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Back to the main topic. Focus were the masters of neo-classical rock along with Gentle Giant (see my review on Hamburger Concerto). Nothing against Emerson. I'm a big fan of the Nice & ELP but classical musicians tend to see his re-workings of the classics as butcher jobs. I'm sure Mussorsky was doing backflips in his grave when Pictures came out. |
A common mis-conception I believe.
Keith Emerson has received much criticism for his arrangements of the classics.However it has not always been dead composers that he has 'targeted'.You might be interested in the reaction that he got from 2 very much alive composers at the time.
Firstly ELP - Toccata (based on a peice of music by Argentinian composer Alberto Ginastera) .Emerson asked for permission from Ginastera for ELP to use his music.Ginastera said ok but I want to hear it first and invited Emerson to dinner.The inviting was done through Ginastera's wife as he couldn't speak English(she could).Anyway they had dinner and afterwards it got to the point of listening to the tape that Emo had brought with him.After it finished there was a bit of a silence then Ginastera shouted ''Terrible,terrible''.Emerson was naturally a little preturbed and then looked at Ginastera's wife who said something like '' It's ok, my husband loves it!''. Hence the glowing endorsement on Brain Salad Surgery from Ginastera ''Keith Emerson Has Beautifully Caught The Mood Of My Peice''.
The second concerns Fanfare For The Common Man.ELP originally recorded this with an extended studio jam that appeared on Works Vol One.The first 2 minutes is faithfull to Copeland's music and was a surprise UK hit (No2 in 1977) when it was released.When ELP sought Copeland's permission to use it they only sent the first 2 minutes fearing that the other 7 minutes might cause a problem.On hearing the 2 minutes Copeland denied permsission as he felt that ELP's arrangement was too close to his original score.So they tried sending him the whole track.Then Copeland was happy and gave them permission to use it.
These 2 examples seem to suggest that classical composers are much less protective of their 'babies' than we would naturally assume.They like the fact that other musicians are inspired by their music and don't expect extreme reverance towards protecting every little hair of it.
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I have a DVD where Emerson talks about Toccata and he was certainly in awe of Ginastera. What I was refering to more was something like Pictures where he tortures his poor Hanmond Organ. I honestly do not think Mussorsky would have approved of this interpretation.
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philippe
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Posted: April 12 2004 at 11:03 |
[QUOTE=Glass-Prison]I'd like to point out one of my favourite classical pianists. Rachmanhoff, an american composer from the turn of the century has an interesting style.QUOTE]
 Yes, Rachmaninov is an impressive classical composer. I've played many of his pieces on the piano. My favorite is the n° 2 (1892) in memory of A.Arensky.
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dude
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Posted: April 14 2004 at 10:10 |
LUCAS:YOU MENTIONED THAT THE NICE HAD A PROG VERSION OF THE BRANDENBERG CONCERTO CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH ALBUM IT IS ON?? I AM INTERESTED!!
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arqwave
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Posted: April 15 2004 at 14:45 |
wow... ehhh well, i think that almost all of the early 20th century russians composers, like Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich, Prokofiev etc, has a common, the adventure, anger, suffering and "prog" heart in any of their composition, i recentlly went to a concert, and they were playing a whole piece of Shostakovich, and believe me, i almost cried!!!, also, guys like Chopin and Saint Saënz has this mania of the strange tempos mixed with waltz an d so many other things, perhaps, we don't listen to those things as often as we might want in the progressive realm beacuse it is very hard to play, even for gifted musicians like prog players, however, i suggest you to find something about ESPERANTO a great band playing Saint Saënz!!!
peace
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progchain
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Posted: April 15 2004 at 16:21 |
mmmhhh,
Gorecki, Berio, Stockhausen, Janacek, Weber, Holst....?
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lucas
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Posted: April 15 2004 at 17:13 |
dude wrote:
LUCAS:YOU MENTIONED THAT THE NICE HAD A PROG VERSION OF THE BRANDENBERG CONCERTO CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH ALBUM IT IS ON?? I AM INTERESTED!! |
Actually, I don't remember. I heard this version on a radio broadcast. But I'll see if I can any link to this song.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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lucas
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Posted: April 15 2004 at 17:13 |
lucas wrote:
dude wrote:
LUCAS:YOU MENTIONED THAT THE NICE HAD A PROG VERSION OF THE BRANDENBERG CONCERTO CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH ALBUM IT IS ON?? I AM INTERESTED!! |
Actually, I don't remember. I heard this version on a radio broadcast. But I'll see if I can any link to this song.
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Sorry : can find.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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lucas
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Posted: April 15 2004 at 17:28 |
progchain wrote:
mmmhhh,
Gorecki, Berio, Stockhausen, Janacek, Weber, Holst....?
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Gorecki, great Polish composer (his most acclaimed work is the "3rd symphony"), but if you want to know more Polish composers, check out Lutoslawski, Penderecki, Paderewski, Preisner, Wieniawski and Kilar.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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