PA's Battle to Stardom A15: Koenjihyakkei v. UZ |
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MovingPictures07
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Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom A15: Koenjihyakkei v. UZ Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:29 |
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Now it's time for me to be evil.
The contemporary Zeuhl masters against one of the original 6 Rock in Opposition bands... both manage to create a uniquely disturbing and haunting type of music but in entirely different ways. Which one will continue? Please: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on their respective pages (or Youtube if the particular band has no online streaming). Koenjihyakkei's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1218 Univers Zero's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=342 As always, discussions are encouraged. Recap: Round 1 A1: A2: A3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. A4: A5: Can v. A6: A7: Van der Graaf Generator v. A8: Samla Mammas Manna v. A9: Rush v. A10: A11: Henry Cow v. A12: A13: A14: A1: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 A2: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 A3: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 A4: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 A5: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 A6: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 A7: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 A8: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 A9: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 A10: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 A11: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 A12: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 A13: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 A14: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 |
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:31 | |
I love both bands... but my vote has to go to Koenjihyakkei.
For those who aren't familiar, this is a wonderful link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHD6UV09pcI |
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horsewithteeth11
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Kentucky Status: Offline Points: 24598 |
Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:39 | |
Koenjihyakkei of course. Yoshi's easily as good as Vander, although saying that might get some stones thrown my way.
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Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:39 | |
Two bands I kind of love, from two genres I truly love. But unlike my favorite bands of Zeuhl and RIO (and probably my two favorites of all bands) Magma and Art Zoyd, I rarely listen to a full album by any of them.
Still not that hard: UZ gets my vote. Dense is one of the best tracks ever recorded. |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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song_of_copper
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 20 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1065 |
Posted: October 11 2008 at 17:54 | |
I've just surprised myself by voting for Univers Zero.
Koenji is amazing, and the moment I heard it I loved it. Univers Zero took me a long while to appreciate. Both bands' music is the kind in which you hear something new every time you listen to it... Tough choice, but I picked UZ, I guess because it's more of a hard-won love... it gives me more every time I hear it, in contrast to Koenjihyakkei, which is just as wonderful as that first listen... aargghh, you really do have a knack for these evil tough polls, young master Alex! |
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: October 11 2008 at 18:04 | |
Both took me some time to appreciate. I'm probably still delving further into my appreciation for UZ, as I love them when I listen to them and am in the mood for it... but don't bring them out nearly as often as say, Henry Cow or SMM. Koenjihyakkei took me a few listens, but they hit me in an entirely different way. Yoshida rapidly climbed my list of favorite and most inspiring drummers I've ever heard, and he definitely cracks my top 5 now. The sheer dynamic brilliance of theirs, for my taste currently at least, outstrips UZ by a bit. Time may tell a different story however as I quite like them both. Koenjihyakkei just has that really active edge that I love to hear implemented well in my music (Rush, Ozrics, Magma, Zappa, etc. all in completely different ways). And yes, I am evil. The funny part of these Stardom polls is that they were chosen entirely randomly. |
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Sckxyss
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 05 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1319 |
Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:13 | |
This is cruel! Two of my all-time favourite bands.. My gut's telling me to go with UZ though. Maybe if Koenji comes out with one more amazing album, my vote'll change, but so far UZ have produced a greater quantity of solid albums, and my vote goes with them. |
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Sckxyss
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Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:15 | |
I actually agree that Tatsuya is as good or better than Vander, but I don't see what Vander has to do with poll
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Padraic
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Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:19 | |
Ouch.
I think I have to go with Univers Zero. Though I may enjoy Angherr Shisspa more than any UZ album I've heard. |
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Mellotron Storm
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Offline Points: 12919 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 00:11 | |
Both bands are obviously amazing, but i much prefer the style of Univers Zero.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
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Logan
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Posted: October 12 2008 at 00:12 | |
Other people have expressed how I feel. For me as well, Univers Zero rather is outdone on the chamber prog front by Art Zoyd, as Koenjihyakkei is eclipsed in Zeuhl by Magma (moreso). I really like both, and Angherr Shisppa is terrific, bu UZ has more albums that I return to, and I find it rather less superficial. It has more depth for me. Took a while for me to really warn up to UZ (which wasn't the case with Present or Art Zoyd); whereas Koenjihyakkei I loved at first listen, but hasn't held my interest to the same extent as UZ.
I turn to my UZ albums more than Koenjihyakkei -- though I turn to Koenjihyakkei tracks often. I think it was went I got Uzed (already had the earlier albums, and some later ones) that I really got into UZ in a very big way (very accessible album, I think). Puts on "Triomphe des Mouches" off Ceux du Dehors -- yeah, good stuff. Both rank amongst my favourite bands, but UZ is quite an easy choice for me. Edited by Logan - October 12 2008 at 00:14 |
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Just a fanboy passin' through.
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song_of_copper
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 20 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1065 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 03:52 | |
As usual we're on the same wavelength... (I want to live in a world where Angherr Shisspa gets thrown on at parties, and UZ is played in supermarkets. ) |
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song_of_copper
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 20 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1065 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 03:57 | |
Koenji does seem to have that 'instant appeal' for a lot of people! (Well, RIO/avant/Zeuhl inclined people, anyhow...) This is a classic poll, really, because one band is like the ultimate in "Wahey! FUN! Woo! Giggles!" and the other is all like "This will hurt but if you are patient you will come to enjoy it..." ! How on earth does one choose?! |
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song_of_copper
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Posted: October 12 2008 at 04:03 | |
"...really active edge..." - I completely get what you mean. There's just so much going on all at once, like this ridiculously complicated onslaught of incident, and stuff is happening almost before you can gauge what's going on... I LOVE that in music. And yes, you are evil. Chosen entirely randomly...? Like, out of a hat or something, or just off the top of your head?! |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 04:09 | |
UNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZEROUNIVERS ZERO
DID I MENTION....... UNIVERS ZERO? OBVIOUSLY NOT, SO, LET ME STATE WHO I VOTED FOR.... UNIVERS ZERO |
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Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 04:15 | |
RIO/Zeuhl fans want's it to hurt before enjoying it. |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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song_of_copper
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 20 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1065 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 04:20 | |
Only where music is concerned! (Well, I can't speak for you, of course... ) |
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 09:59 | |
Edited by MovingPictures07 - October 12 2008 at 10:00 |
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YesFan72
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 25 2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3241 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 10:00 | |
Univers Zero. *runs from Koenji fans*
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: October 12 2008 at 10:01 | |
A fellow sockian has betrayed me! |
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