Stratovarius

slaver wrote:   I have dabbled with Korn and would be suprised if their album "Issues" weren't considered prog. Mostly though they just go on their merry monotonous way.

Now I'm finding it almost impossible to take you seriously on the matter.

slaver wrote: I think that we have some very different views on music - but that's what makes life interesting. To my mind Tool have a lot to thank Korn for. For the record - I cannot stand Tool. If you haven't listened to Issues then you'll find some very interesting music and some very interesting subject matter there. Way way better than anything else Korn have released. I don't believe that they should be here but if that was a stand alone release of theirs then I would say that they should most definately be.   Another eyebrow raiser, for me, is the inclusion of the Who on Progarchives. Sure they did Tommy and Quadrophena but the BG's did a lot on Saturday Night Fever and its follow up. Neither band is progressive in any form.   We have The Stones, The Beatles, The Who, Black Sabbath (who only did one proggish album, Uriah Heep who did one or two proggish tracks etc etc on Progarchives) - still no Stratovarius. David Bowie did more to contibute to Prog than most and he aint here?   All of you guys have an excellent site and you do excellent work and I understand that you can't please everyone. As well I understand that everyone has different ideas and preferences.   Just fair warning - I'm going to harp on the Stratovarius issue every now and then.

The Who are here in Proto-Prog, they're NOT PROG! Neither The Beatles or Sabbath nor Bowie. The Who being on Proto-Prog pretty much says it all, PROTO being before Prog existed, they influenced future Prog bands as well as The Beatles, The Doors, Floyd's Piper's, many many others.. Their Rock Opera/Concept was very innovating for the time, as well as the 10 minute epic A Quick One.
Sabbath, has influenced so many hard rock/metal bands that you can't imagine. Their first 2 albums were highly innovating and then realesed 2 very Proggy albums Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage, which I consider them Heavy Prog, and some people would add Never Say Die or even Heaven and Hell.

But I'm getting out of the subject....
Just my 2 cents

Mike, Harry.... Are you SERIOUSLY discussing with someone who thinks music is prog when he cannot play it because it's difficult?  Damn.... Do you realize that most Genesis music is therefore NOT prog?

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Stratovarius may not be prog , but it made me appreciate lots of prog bands after. Like ELP

Whoever is the first to suggest Korn for addition loses 10 points in credibility but gains 48937493847 points for being so BRAVE!

I've just listened again to Korn and yes I'm brave enough to suggest that their music is prog.  Anyone prepared to call them run of the mill? That would be braver!! Anyone happy to suggest that they are mainstream boogie or whatever metal?

Oh, My God... Now, Korn.
Well, I just can watch the thread go on and make the bodycount.