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DavetheSlave 
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 04:52 |
Before I go to a poll I would like to ascertain what kind of general support I would get to champion the cause of Stratovarius being included on Progarchives. For goodness sakes - Deep Purple are here.
Are their any Stratovarius supporters out there and what are your thoughts. How many of those who were originally negative about their inclusion have actually listened to the Band? Judging by the non - inclusion - not many, I would think. What do you guys think?
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:01 |
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You guys are either chicken or you don't know Stratovarius's music!!!!!
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:05 |
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I would actually support their suggestion as Prog-Related. However, in that case their inclusion would be decided by the admin team ... so there is not much point in making polls or gathering opinions. You're free to do so, but it has been done before and did not result in their inclusion, so it might be a waste of time.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:09 |
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Mr ProgFreak - if you can get them included under progrelated you and I will be best friends - at least they will be here.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:19 |
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Even if I haven't heard Stratovarius, I'm sure they never did something as Prog as Child in Time or Fools or Concerto for Group and Orchestra or their MK 1 albums.
As you already know by hard, it's useless to suggest a band with saying "if x is here, then y is surely" or "x is here? and not y?"
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:23 |
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Hi cacho - you wanna bet?? I love "Child in time" and the whole Deep Purple rock thing but Strat leave that side of Purple cold. Listen to Stratovarius - do me a favor - maybe you will still disagree but maybe Strat will have another fan!!
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:28 |
 slaver wrote:
Mr ProgFreak - if you can get them included under progrelated you and I will be best friends - at least they will be here. |
I'm not a collaborator of this website anymore ... and like I said, even if I was then the decision would still be up to the admin team. I run my own little website now ... if you are so sure that Stratovarius are prog, you're welcome to create an account there and tag them as such. 
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:33 |
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Hi Mr ProgFreak - what's your website -will do - but will still fight my mini war with my friends here. Oh - you seen my argument for Korn?? Gonna start a Gary Moore one soon!!!!
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:40 |
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Hi cacho - try Elements 2 by Strat - First track - "Alpha and Omega" - tell me about "Child in Time" then!!!
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:41 |
^ I put the link in my signature ... I'm not mentioning the name of my website in posts anymore. Although my user name kind of gives it away ... 
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:47 |
slaver wrote:
Hi cacho - you wanna bet?? I love "Child in time" and the whole Deep Purple rock thing but Strat leave that side of Purple cold. Listen to Stratovarius - do me a favor - maybe you will still disagree but maybe Strat will have another fan!! |
Check Concerto for Group and Orchestra. I bet Strat can't beat that on Prog means. I can't imagine a Power Metal band leaving cold a pioneering Hard Rock/Metal band. And much less if it's my fave band
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chopper
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:50 |
slaver wrote:
Before I go to a poll I would like to ascertain what kind of general support I would get to champion the cause of Stratovarius being included on Progarchives. For goodness sakes - Deep Purple are here.
Are their any Stratovarius supporters out there and what are your thoughts. How many of those who were originally negative about their inclusion have actually listened to the Band? Judging by the non - inclusion - not many, I would think. What do you guys think? |
Before coming out with a quote like that, you need to check the genre that Deep Purple are in, then look up it's description.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:53 |
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^thanks man, I had forgotten to back-up their sub-genre also.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 13:59 |
Hey, I know a great deal about Deep Purple - There is no way that they are prog except possibly for "Child in Time". They are purely a rock band and a very good one at that. They branched off into perhaps Prog bands - Rainbow, The Ian Gillian Band, Blacmore's Night - etc. The Concerto was more John Lord's work than Deep Purple's as a whole.
I rate Deep Purple as perhaps the greatest Rock band of all time but prog???? No - sorry!!!!
Dream Theater's greatest influence was Deep Purple no matter what they or anyone else says. Dream Theater are a Deep Purple or Rainbow taken to a different extreme.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 14:03 |
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^ Hey man! NOBODY SAID DEEP PURPLE WERE/ARE PROG!!! Check the site where they are! They're PROTO-Prog, they're not Prog, they influenced future Prog bands with the MK 1.
Please check well before adding Deep Purple as a excuse.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 14:06 |
Hey - at least they here and Stat aren't - at all. How come?
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chopper
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 14:09 |
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As cacho and I just said, Deep Purple are not here as a fully-fledged prog band, so that has no bearing whatsoever on whether Stratovarius are accepted or not. Read the description of proto-prog.
Edited by chopper - December 07 2008 at 14:09
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 14:09 |
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How come???!!! DEEP PURPLE PROTO-Prog, they deserve to be here for that sub-genre! Strat have been rejected many times, go and see if you have luck for Prog-Related...
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 14:13 |
hello cacho - just listen to them please!!!! They aint Proto Prog - their music is prog metal!!! Just listen.
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chopper
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Posted: December 07 2008 at 14:18 |
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Nobody said Stratovarius were proto-prog.
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