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    Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:16

Sid Smith, himself acting on behalf of Robert Fripp, has asked me to post the following two messages here, the first written by Robert Fripp, the second by Sid who is looking after KC's website.

FROM ROBERT FRIPP

Inside King Crimson DVD and CD
A statement from Robert Fripp and DGM

The Inside The Music series is a "pot of gold" for Bob Carruthers &
classic rock productions. It addresses a valuable & useful area of
popular music studies; but in a cheap, nasty & cynical fashion that
exploits everyone & scams the artists, the music & the fans.

Bob Carruthers is a likeable, personable & slippery, evasive character
who has upset nearly everyone whose music he has, in some way,
presented.

If transparency & accountability are two features of the ethical
company, then Classic Rock Productions must be considered ethically
challenged in extremis. Given my 38 years of hard experience as a
professional within the music industry, Bob Carruthers' company would
be better named Classic Crock Productions.

Robert Fripp,
World HQ, April 22nd 2005.

FROM SID

Inside King Crimson

In recent days I’ve received a number of enquiries from KC fans
regarding a DVD entitled Inside King Crimson 1972 – 1975 and a CD,
Inside King Crimson 1975-1979, Classic Rock Productions.

Potential purchasers should understand that neither item has been
approved nor licensed by Robert Fripp, the copyright holder of the
music.

As with many other products in this series, fans hoping to see full
performances will be disappointed. In order to get around the copyright
act, the DVD is marketed as a ‘critical review’.  In this context,
snippets of footage under 20 seconds are deemed legal.

The majority of the content is made up of critical opinions by
journalists, musicians, etc. On the Inside King Crimson DVD there are
10 second bursts of music.

The two bonus tracks are recycled from the John Wetton Ultimate
Anthology, another product advertised by Classic Rock Direct.  John did
not give approval of the original release or its use on either of these
King Crimson items.  John, in common with many other artists featured
in this series, has never received any royalties.

Elsewhere, other bands and musicians are becoming increasingly annoyed
at the kind of sharp practice that recycles small clips, inferior sound
quality and scripts and commentary riddled with inaccuracies.

Caravan are asking their fans to boycott this kind of material.

Their manager, Mark Powell, writes “You may be aware of releases by
CLASSIC ROCK PRODUCTIONS on both DVD and CD. The material is in breach
of contract or simply illegal. The band have not received royalties.
The disputed titles are, 'WITH STRINGS ATTACHED' and 'NOWHERE TO HIDE'.
Despite continual objections, Classic Rock Productions continue to
exploit these recordings. These recordings have now been passed to a
third party, who licensed them in good faith. These releases are now
subject to dispute.”

Consequently, DGM is actively taking steps regarding both Inside King
Crimson release and urges KC fans NOT to purchase them.  Whilst DGM
understands that there is a demand for rarely seen and archive footage
of the band, Inside King Crimson is not that product.

For several months DGM has been undertaking research on producing a
compilation of archive video footage of the band in all its
incarnations. It is likely that the resulting DVD will include all the
tracks mentioned on the Inside King Crimson DVD (minus constant
interruptions and critical asides) in addition to many more
performances, several of them seen for the first time.  A full press
release itemising tracks and performances will be announced once
licensing and clearance negotiations have been concluded.  In the
meantime, we ask fans to be patient and to avoid the Classic Rock
Productions.

Sid Smith
Author of In The Court of King Crimson

 

SOME FURTHER COMMENT BY SID ABOUT THIS ISSUE:

A glance at some comments from the proud owners of Classic Rock
Productions over at Amazon and elsewhere on the internet gives some
clue as to what King Crimson fans can expect if the Inside King Crimson
becomes available.

“This is quite simply a con! . . . I was looking forward to seeing the
"rare footage of Atom Heart Mother" - it lasts 10-15 seconds!. DO NOT
WASTE YOUR MONEY!”

“This set of DVD's must be a con, pure and simple. Terrible reviews
dumbed down with no new material or insights. . .These discs are
advertised as suitable for college students and study groups, I don't
get the joke! Best not to buy this drivel, it only encourages more of
the same.”

“Oh dear...proclaiming to be the 'definitive critical review', this is
nothing more than a DVD of talking heads, most of whom love Pink Floyd
just like you or I. The trouble is, you and I probably could have made
some more interesting comments!”

Inside Supertramp
“There were little snippets of live performances by Supertramp but this
was overshadowed by a running commentary by the reviewers. It lasted
just 63 minutes.”

It is a commentary documentary and nothing more. . . The total time
that you actually see and hear Supertramp is negligible.  You’re lucky
to see about 12 minutes of fragments from past performances (out of 63
minutes running time). (excerpted from prog-nose review)

Inside Nirvana
“Very poor dvd . . . no full live videos . . .just 5 seconds clip from
MTV Live and Loud, MTV Unplugged, and Saturday night live.”

Inside Deep Purple
“The criticism is along the lines of "Machine Head is good, Who Do We
Think We Are isn't", and the revelation that Smoke On The Water is a
"classic riff". Nothing the reviewers' commentary will be new to Purple
fans, and indeed some is inaccurate or at least incomplete.”

Uriah Heep
But the quality of performances and sound/video is quite another
matter. . .They were omitted from previous DVD releases due to poor
quality of sound/video or due to poor performance or because of poor
sound mix (check the version of Lady in Black present), and now we get
them on "Ultimate Anthology"!




Best wishes,

Sid

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 10:29
Ok, good info, never heard of it, though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 11:34

Beat the **** out of Classic Crock Productions!

I am very gentle, you see.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 11:58
Thank you for the info.  :)
...this is called....BleedingGum ... !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 12:28
Thanks for the warning!
Raven's mist has moved....check out the new improved site!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 15:14

I've seen these DVDs in the CD rack, I think for ELP and Pink Floyd, and you can te;; by looking at them that they are rather cheaply produced. They do have a big warning about how these haven't been authorized by the band, etc. So I've been wary of them. They really should also make it clear that they do not feature extended footage of the band in concert or in the studio, etc.

However, I DO like the idea of having critical documentaries of prog bands, if that is in fact what these are. And I wouldn't want the featured band to have "authorized" it. If it was well written and it incorportaed interesting, relevant footage of the band and footage of known prog rock critics discussing them, I think it would be something of value and I would welcome that sort of product.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2005 at 15:59

I really suspect this company, their cathaloges always seemed to me a collection of cons.

 

The only thing good in Classic Rock Productions were Mostly Autumn. And even they have deserted!  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2005 at 16:30

I don't know...that live KC footage is looking pretty tempting....

 I've seen one of those DVDs before at a friend's house. I was just mad at the fact I wasted an hour of my life watching that horrid garbage; my friend felt the same way and he bought it!

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