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    Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:38
I have been comparing the best of Kraans output
with the best output from Canterbury and have come
to this ranking order.

1. Kraan - Wiederhoren
2. Khan - Space Shanty
3. Kraan - Andy Nogger
4. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
5. Kraan - Flyday
6. Soft Machine - Third
7. Kraan - Let it Out
8. Caravan - In the Land of Pink and Grey

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:42

All personal tastes Dallas!

Those 4 Canterbury masterpieces equalled by some obscure German band that had its moments but hardly worth writing home about. You must have something against the Kent region!!

Heard of Out Of Focus?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:49
yes all three are good but different, Wake up, debut
and 4 letter monday......
I like em!

ever listen to Andy Nogger or Wiederhoren?

the English have advertised this little group of
musicians and made genre and another genre out
of the non sense known as Canterbury. How about
an american genre called San Francisco that went
on to form PIO! all the bands that played psychedelic
rock!
If you listen to progressive fusion outside these
overrated english beatniks youll find they didnt
exactly set the world on fire, maybe their backyard!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:57

Originally posted by DallasBryan

I have been comparing the best of Kraans output
with the best output from Canterbury and have come
to this ranking order.

1. Kraan - Wiederhoren
2. Khan - Space Shanty
3. Kraan - Andy Nogger
4. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
5. Kraan - Flyday
6. Soft Machine - Third
7. Kraan - Let it Out
8. Caravan - In the Land of Pink and Grey

Bryan i know it's all personal preference but i'm having a hard time here understanding why you placed Caravans 'Pink' album in 8th position!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:10
you think I should move it up or replace it with Henry
Cow, Gong or Daevid Allen?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:14
Originally posted by Sean Trane

All personal tastes Dallas!


Those 4 Canterbury masterpieces equalled by some obscure German band that had its moments but hardly worth writing home about. You must have something against the Kent region!!


Heard of Out Of Focus?



Yes, our friend Dallasbryan already told that caravan classics make nice freesbies and at the same time,he considered Alan Parsons project first albums as essentials...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:19
Originally posted by DallasBryan

you think I should move it up or replace it with Henry
Cow, Gong or Daevid Allen?


Gong, allen and henry cow easily beat your kraan!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:22
Originally posted by DallasBryan

yes all three are good but different, Wake up, debut
and 4 letter monday......
I like em!

ever listen to Andy Nogger or Wiederhoren?

the English have advertised this little group of
musicians and made genre and another genre out
of the non sense known as Canterbury. How about
an american genre called San Francisco that went
on to form PIO! all the bands that played psychedelic
rock!
If you listen to progressive fusion outside these
overrated english beatniks youll find they didnt
exactly set the world on fire, maybe their backyard!


Yes, USpsyche is a great genre,which i'm found off by the way, but there's no compete with Canterbury school as it's simply not the same thing, not the same time, space, context...

Bryan...
Life is short
Don't waste your precious time doing silly record lists!
Go outside! smell the flowers in blossom!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 09:59

Oh ive just looked up Kraan in the archives and i like the sound of them. Im going to check some tunes out.

Oliver - I dont think DB should smell the flowers he should to smoke them

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:30
Yes, he should smoke more weed!

he would spend more time to listen to music and less time on writing lists!

but anyway, we love you like that, Bryan!

Love from planet Gong!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:34
Originally posted by Petra

Oh ive just looked up Kraan in the archives and i like the sound of them. Im going to check some tunes out.

Oliver - I dont think DB should smell the flowers he should to smoke them

 

Petra start with Live (Kraan's 5th album - EMI Germany have remastered it in lasted 4 years) - which DB has omitted, but IMHO I feel is superior to the Kraan studio albums listed. Long work outs of tunes from earlier albums and  their 6th (Helmut Hattler's bass is resounding throughout) - I recently  added to my Kraan collection and now have the first 7 albums.

In passing DB has listed an excellent collection of Kraan and Canterbury  albums, all worth seeking out and listening to.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:45
Just picked up Kraan's Flyday on vinyl last week for 2 Euros (a mint copy...)

I haven't yet had the time to really listen to it. I've put in on my turntable a couple of times already but some distraction always seems to come my way when I start digging through my vinyl pile...

I tend to rip my vinyls to mp3s, though... I couldn't bear it if I ruined the condition of a record I bought mint

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:59
Originally posted by Beau Heem

Just picked up Kraan's Flyday on vinyl last week for 2 Euros (a mint copy...)

I haven't yet had the time to really listen to it. I've put in on my
turntable a couple of times already but some distraction always seems
to come my way when I start digging through my vinyl pile...

I tend to rip my vinyls to mp3s, though... I couldn't bear it if I ruined the condition of a record I bought mint

Cheers

-Beau



That's horrible to convert (more exactly, to ruin)
the best format into the worst...





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:00
Originally posted by Dick Heath

[QUOTE=Petra]

Petra start with Live (Kraan's 5th album - EMI
Germany have remastered it in lasted 4 years)
- which DB has omitted, but IMHO I feel is superior to
the Kraan studio albums listed. Long work outs of
tunes from earlier albums and  their 6th (Helmut
Hattler's bass is resounding throughout) - I recently 
added to my Kraan collection and now have the first
7 albums.


In passing DB has listed an excellent collection of
Kraan and Canterbury  albums, all worth seeking out
and listening to.



Your right Dick the live is great, im just a studio
album guy. Kraan are good enough musicians to
make their live performances superior. I concer!
I must say that their 4 best studio albums are equal
and diverse as the 4 best Canterbury albums from
all the combind artists. IMO!

But I am retired as a musician! Qualtiy vs Quantity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:02

And where was Kraan Live (the 1975 one, obviously) - the finest hour and a bit of an excellent band.

Aside from the jazz influence,which manifested itself in vastly different ways, I don't see many grounds for comparing Kraan with any of the Canterbury acts, although Pierre Moerlen's Gong have something in common I suppose. Kraan are more of a jamming band, whereas the Canterbury pilgrims veered between carefully scored pieces and free inprov. A better point of comparison may be the Fripp/Collins/Burrell/Wallace edition of King Crimson - check out Live in Berkley '71 to hear how awesome they could be.

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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:50

oliverstoned placed this little picky of what looks like a ''PLATINE VERDIER''(Great spelling i know) 

Another deck he dreams about




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:53

Originally posted by DallasBryan

you think I should move it up or replace it with Henry
Cow, Gong or Daevid Allen?

 

No but i think Daevid allen's 'Bannana moon is excellent...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:57
I actually really like Good Morning, but I cant find a
copy these dayz!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 18:44

Originally posted by DallasBryan

I actually really like Good Morning, but I cant find a
copy these dayz!

 

Good morning is fantastic but ''This is the happiest time of our lives'' is his best for me.But 'Bannana moon' has a feast of artists playing..Rob Wyatt etc.

Excellent.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 21:41
Kraan or Cacklebury
that is the question, for me Kraan smokes the kids,
England is best to stick with their output from the
kings of progressive: Moodies, Pink Floyd, Yes,
Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull and Brian Eno.

The french smoked your knickers in progressive
fusion, face it you are not superior you are a
contributor!
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