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    Posted: May 22 2013 at 12:01
Originally posted by dennismoore

Originally posted by infandous

Originally posted by darkshade

^ Dennis, you would enjoy Umphrey's McGee. They are a prog jam band, and don't usually do the Grateful Dead-jam band cliche of jamming in one key. Many of their "jams" are actually somewhat composed.



The Grateful Dead rarely did that cliche themselves (though they did do it a lot in the early years, late 60's, beginning of the 70's).




My friend: the 60's & early 70's were their peak. Everything after that was MTV music.  Though I love to listen to the album, American Beauty, they did write some good tunes.  A Friend of The Devil is a friend on mine indeed.

Did you get a chance to play my Spock's Beard - Snow edit?


Um, I think you missed out on their best stuff then.  Live, anyway.  There is no "MTV music" by the Dead that I ever heard........yes, they had one "hit' video, for the song Touch Of Grey.......a song they had played live for more than 10 years before it was put on an album and used for the video.  I've never actually owned a Greatful Dead studio album, so I can't really speak to those.  The ones I heard I mostly disliked for the most part, but the ones I really liked were Blues For Allah and Terrapin Station (there was one other, more acoustic folksy type affair, that I can't remember the name of that I also liked a bit).  I saw them live in 1994 and it was by far the best concert I've ever seen, musically speaking.  The 60's and early 70's live shows I've heard were not particularly good, musically, if you ask me (though there are a couple renditions of Dark Star and  The Other One / St. Stephen that are pretty incredible).  Though I'm sure they were quite fun to be at.

I have not gotten around to the Snow edit.  I will try to do that in the near future.  I haven't listened to that album in years, so maybe your edit would be a better way to do that.
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Originally posted by dennismoore

Originally posted by darkshade

^ Dennis, you would enjoy Umphrey's McGee. They are a prog jam band, and don't usually do the Grateful Dead-jam band cliche of jamming in one key. Many of their "jams" are actually somewhat composed.


Thanks m8,Smile   I will check them out.  And to return the favor, I have 2 suggestions for you:

Sanguine Hum (2013) - The weight of the world  - Awesome!    (Diving Bell (2012) is really good as well.)
I just discovered these guys, yesterday

And...

Mystery - The World Is A Game (2012).   Song 2, "Pride" is one of the coolest songs from the last 20 years!
You need to blast it real loud...Approve



Oh, good point, I like Bela Fleck as well...



I am actually friends on Facebook with the guitarist and main man of Mystery.  Yet, I've never heard a note of their music!  I think it was because of mutual friends (he "friended" me, as I recall).  Anyway, that album is free to listen to on progstreaming.com at the moment, so I think I'm going to have to do that as I keep hearing good things about the band.  Also, I though Benoit sounded pretty good on Fly From Here (even though I find the album quite weak), so I'd like to hear how he does with his "main" band.
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Ive just ordered the Hecht Novel - Ishmael is unbelievably expensive for a paperback though - 15 pounds!!!
Intersting list -  Ive read quite a few obviously - I may pick from that list for my next few books....
I won't be buying the Intelligent design bollocks listed though......just one dick looking for a designer when there is clearly no such pattern nor infallible designer DOH!!!


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Originally posted by M27Barney

Ive just ordered the Hecht Novel - Ishmael is unbelievably expensive for a paperback though - 15 pounds!!!
Intersting list -  Ive read quite a few obviously - I may pick from that list for my next few books....
I won't be buying the Intelligent design bollocks listed though......just one dick looking for a designer when there is clearly no such pattern nor infallible designer DOH!!!



Yeah, well, Gildenlow does mention at the bottom of the list that some of the books are good, some bad, but that all of them contributed to his creation of the concept for "BE".
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Lots to respond to...

In college I loved jam bands.  Grateful Dead and Phish were favorites.  The scene got pretty big in the early to mid 90s, especially in the midwest.  We had a local band called Ekoostik Hookah that got pretty big.  I played keys for a jam band around that time as well.  We actually had a little scene going in southern Ohio.  If we'd gotten our sh*t together, we would've had festivals etc.  

I still like Phish a bit, but don't listen to anything other than a few studio albums.  Lawnboy, Rift, Story of the Ghost and Billy Breathes are three of the best albums of all time.  Very proggy.  I saw them live over 50 times.  They kind of lost their way in the late 90s.  Haven't seen them since.  Glad they're back at it.

Love the Dead and love Jerry Garcia.  Seen them countless times as well.  They had some proggy stuff, especially Blues for Allah, as Infandous mentioned.  Their mid to late 70s stuff is incredible.

I'm not to into Umphrey's.  They sound like any other generic jamband that came out in the 90s.  I know they do some composed stuff as well as ambient beats and stuff.

Dennis's edit of Snow is superb.  All should listen now!

Love Bela Fleck.  Seen him several times live.  Very enjoyable and easy to listen to.  I was just thinking I need to catch up with them.  Thanks for the recommendation Darkshade.

Also, as far as fusion goes.  There was a time that was all I listened to.  Like Dennis, I preferred the composed stuff like Mahavishnu and RTF.  The jammy stuff was cool, but gets a bit boring.  Although, I love me some Weather Report.  Not to much into straight ahead jazz unless its guitar.  Love Pat Metheny, Bill Frisell, John Abercrombie, Terje Rypdal.  All proggy and listenable.  Terje Rypdal sounds like Roine at times.

Damn, now what should I listen to...prog, fusion, Dead...think I'll go with Bela FleckTongue


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Yeah, I forgot to mention that I saw Bela Fleck and the Flecktones about 10 years ago, and it was an incredible show.  For some reason, I've never gotten a hold of any of their albums.  May have to do that, I don't know.

Zuma, when I was in college, my vision for my prog band was of a prog/jam hybrid.  Most of my epics had "holes" in them, there specifically for free form improvisation (well, not totally free form, there was usually a riff or melody or chord progression that got things going).  What I discovered was that the people I played with either like prog and not improv, or improv and not prog.  My drummer was the exception, as he was into everything music wise.
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I must say that your taste is quite a lot wider than mine, I can't stand Grateful Dead.....I hate the quirky parts , I am the sun part I is RUINED by that silly bit in the middle - and Echoes by pink floyd is ruined by those squaukin Crows....
Also I absolutely Love Numbers & Monsters and Men....you two would like it more if they had a nun "farting and giggling" in a bath halfway through or the sound of a elderly aardvark being put through a mangle by an incontinent Tin Miner from Penzance......Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by infandous

Yeah, I forgot to mention that I saw Bela Fleck and the Flecktones about 10 years ago, and it was an incredible show.  For some reason, I've never gotten a hold of any of their albums.  May have to do that, I don't know.

Zuma, when I was in college, my vision for my prog band was of a prog/jam hybrid.  Most of my epics had "holes" in them, there specifically for free form improvisation (well, not totally free form, there was usually a riff or melody or chord progression that got things going).  What I discovered was that the people I played with either like prog and not improv, or improv and not prog.  My drummer was the exception, as he was into everything music wise.

right, that's the kind of stuff i used to write.  lots of composed stuff, but also specific jammy parts.  it got a bit ridiculous.  we also loved segueing from one song to another and then back.  one time, early on, we were in a battle of the bands and we switched off sets.  we ended our first set in the middle of a jam.  after the next band played, we picked up the jam where we left off...so that other band's set was IN our song!

i'm with you, i never really understood the divide between jam and prog.  phish, for example, is totally a prog band, especially the earlier fugues etc.  i loved them and the dead several years before i got into prog.  just seems like a logical progression Wink

i really think that anyone who is into a certain rock genre is usually a total music fan and has gone through it all.  when i first got the bug, i wanted to hear everything...and i did.  it's just in the last few years i've kind of settled into my top favorites and not been too eclectic.  my top artists are TFK, Dead, Neil Young, Pat Metheny, Yes, Rush.  of course, i love blasting classic rock at any time.  love me some joe walsh, eagles, zeppelin, foghat...ya know!
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