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    Posted: August 06 2012 at 20:32
Originally posted by Mirror Image

Originally posted by infandous

All the talk about Retropolis...............

It's my favorite Flower Kings album, but for almost purely sentimental reasons because it was the first I ever heard.  However, even if that wasn't the case, it would rank very high on my list, easily top 5.  Unfold The Future is easily their best album, in my view, and taking out the sentimental favorite of Retropolis, would be my number one.

I'm finding this out first-hand myself as I listened to Banks of Eden for a second time through earlier, but I'm really enjoying Banks of Eden even better than I did the first time. Retropolis is the first Flower Kings album I heard as well. I suppose I need to shake off my sentimental attachment to it as well and listen to each album on its own terms. 

my first was Stardust We Are.  so i  have a sentimental attachment to it.  


btw, steven wilson is true progressive rock!LOL
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Steven Wilson is glorified and long modern rock . . . love it, but I always wondered why they were considered progressive outside of their song length.  "Blackest Eyes" and "Trains" could have easily been radio hits to name a few.

My first Flower King CD was Retropolis as well.  Weird coincidence, huh?  I do love Retropolis and would put in my top five CD's by them.  Top three remain "Paradox Hotel", "Unfold the Future" and "Space Revolver".  Four and five are "Banks of Eden" and "Retropolis", though those two are probably tied for fourth at the moment.

"Stardust We Are" would have a higher rating if it didn't die about three fourths of the way through, there's a batch of tracks towards the end that I struggle to get through.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mirror Image Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2012 at 21:07
Originally posted by zumacraig


my first was Stardust We Are.  so i  have a sentimental attachment to it.

Stardust We Are is awesome or at least from the songs I've sampled via YouTube. I'm looking forward to getting the album. Circus Brimstone is one the songs that stood out to me that I sampled. Quite sinister for Flower Kings.
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Originally posted by infocat

Interesting!  I was always under the impression that Space Revolver was one of their most highly esteemed (!) albums.   

It is!  And it should be since it is easily one of their best albums.  Everything on it is excellent. and it is a great blend of their many styles instead of being too symphonic rocky from start to finish with little straying.  TFK is great because of the many styles they try, and when they get too focused on just being "proggy," it results in lesser records like The Sum of No Evil. 

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Originally posted by infandous

Originally posted by Nov

Originally posted by Ytse_Jam

Banks of Eden is definitely better than Space Revolver IMO!
I have to disagree with this 100%

Just my opinion though (and I do love BoE)





Nov, I'm with you here.  I think SR is a better album than BoE.  Though it should be noted that I don't have a high opinion of BoE at the moment......
We'll see what  Roj thinks - i know that he loves SR....but has BoE done enough to get near??
I think that if you go for consistency then - BoE has the edge....
But Boe hasn't got a track as good as IATS....
So it's a tough one...
If music be the food of love......play on
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Originally posted by Roland113

Steven Wilson is glorified and long modern rock . . . love it, but I always wondered why they were considered progressive outside of their song length.  "Blackest Eyes" and "Trains" could have easily been radio hits to name a few.

My first Flower King CD was Retropolis as well.  Weird coincidence, huh?  I do love Retropolis and would put in my top five CD's by them.  Top three remain "Paradox Hotel", "Unfold the Future" and "Space Revolver".  Four and five are "Banks of Eden" and "Retropolis", though those two are probably tied for fourth at the moment.

"Stardust We Are" would have a higher rating if it didn't die about three fourths of the way through, there's a batch of tracks towards the end that I struggle to get through.
Aye - Just think how good this CD would hve been if they had extended out the title track to 80 minutes for CD 2......
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Originally posted by Roland113

Steven Wilson is glorified and long modern rock . . . love it, but I always wondered why they were considered progressive outside of their song length.  "Blackest Eyes" and "Trains" could have easily been radio hits to name a few.

My first Flower King CD was Retropolis as well.  Weird coincidence, huh?  I do love Retropolis and would put in my top five CD's by them.  Top three remain "Paradox Hotel", "Unfold the Future" and "Space Revolver".  Four and five are "Banks of Eden" and "Retropolis", though those two are probably tied for fourth at the moment.

"Stardust We Are" would have a higher rating if it didn't die about three fourths of the way through, there's a batch of tracks towards the end that I struggle to get through.
Aye - Just think how good this CD would hve been if they had extended out the title track to 80 minutes for CD 2......

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Originally posted by M27Barney

Originally posted by infandous

Originally posted by Nov

Originally posted by Ytse_Jam

Banks of Eden is definitely better than Space Revolver IMO!
I have to disagree with this 100%

Just my opinion though (and I do love BoE)





Nov, I'm with you here.  I think SR is a better album than BoE.  Though it should be noted that I don't have a high opinion of BoE at the moment......
We'll see what  Roj thinks - i know that he loves SR....but has BoE done enough to get near??
I think that if you go for consistency then - BoE has the edge....
But Boe hasn't got a track as good as IATS....
So it's a tough one...
That's the point! SR would be nothing without IATS! Lol just trolling, don't kill me :D
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Space Revolver is clearly better.  77 minutes of wonderful music, there's only the 2 min Froberg song that's ordinary.  That era was my TFK fave.  The Stardust-Flower Power-Space Revolver trilogy is unbeatable.
 
BoE is excellent though.  Numbers is truly fantastic, Pandemonium is everything I'd want from a short TFK track and the other pieces are bloody good too.  However, it isn't Space Revolver.
 
I'm still seeing where BoE will settle in my overall ranking.  I'm certainly thinking top 5 though. 
 
Interesting to see they did what most of their critics wanted - pruned the album down from the usual 75-80 mins and removed all "filler" (ie the atmospheric interludes and quirky pieces us TFK fans love).  As shown on the Stolt v Wilson thread, they're still not happy - muppets. 
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Originally posted by Roj M30

Space Revolver is clearly better.  77 minutes of wonderful music, there's only the 2 min Froberg song that's ordinary.  That era was my TFK fave.  The Stardust-Flower Power-Space Revolver trilogy is unbeatable.
 
BoE is excellent though.  Numbers is truly fantastic, Pandemonium is everything I'd want from a short TFK track and the other pieces are bloody good too.  However, it isn't Space Revolver.
 
I'm still seeing where BoE will settle in my overall ranking.  I'm certainly thinking top 5 though. 
 
Interesting to see they did what most of their critics wanted - pruned the album down from the usual 75-80 mins and removed all "filler" (ie the atmospheric interludes and quirky pieces us TFK fans love).  As shown on the Stolt v Wilson thread, they're still not happy - muppets. 



Well, as someone who loves the "filler", I haven't been thrilled with an album since probably Unfold.  I've still come to love them all, but it's not the same.  However, bands move on and I'm not sure that TFK would be so special if they had kept doing Stardust and Space Revolver over and over.  Repetition has worked for Neal Morse though, so who knows? Wink
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I'm still warming up to Retropolis. I understand it's a great album, just hasn't sunk in. I DO like how many of TFK's album ratings on this site have all gone up, and they now have at least a couple that are over 4.00 rating.
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I'm still warming up to Retropolis. I understand it's a great album, just hasn't sunk in. I DO like how many of TFK's album ratings on this site have all gone up, and they now have at least a couple that are over 4.00 rating.
 
Retropolis is an album that has to grow on you. When comparing this album with their new one Banks of Eden, it's almost like night and day. They're so different. Banks of Eden has a more pared down sound and I just don't hear a lot of keyboard work from Bodin, though I know he's there, but his approach seems to be less is more for this new album, which is different, but still completely viable. On Retropolis, Bodin's influence is more prominent and upfront. I think there's something wonderful to be found in both of these recordings.
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I find wonderful things in all their albums. They all have their own special something. From my experience, even a TFK fan's least favorite album is still a great album.
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There are several members here that hold Retropolis in high regard. As I said, it's got to have sufficient time to grow on you.

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Retropolis is easily a top 5 TFK record in my book.  Stunningly consistent, and has some of their best songs ever. 

And I see that Banks of Eden is now number 51 on the top 100 list.  Very nice.  Of course, once the TFK hating brigade gets wind of that, they'll review it and knock it down, but oh well. LOL
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Originally posted by Biff Tannen

Retropolis is easily a top 5 TFK record in my book.  Stunningly consistent, and has some of their best songs ever. 

And I see that Banks of Eden is now number 51 on the top 100 list.  Very nice.  Of course, once the TFK hating brigade gets wind of that, they'll review it and knock it down, but oh well. LOL


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I will admit that, although I love Banks of Eden, and consider it one of the band's best, older TFK albums should be in that list and/or have higher ratings that BoE. I don't really care about the top 100, but none of the band's classic material in that list, but BoE is? C'mon.

As far as TFK haters go, since PA began, how have newly released TFK albums been rated? Did they start out with good ratings, then plummet once haters started coming in? Or was there always lover and haters rating the albums at the same time? It seems more people enjoy BoE than previous albums, and that haters aren't around, or care to rate/review the album. I mean, it's been out almost 2 months now, surely the haters would have been hatin' on the site by now.
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He'll lobby for half-star ratings so hard just so he can give half a star to Banks Of Eden.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mirror Image Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2012 at 15:48
Who really cares if Banks of Eden gets good ratings or not? There's been many albums I love that don't have positive ratings. I mean like let's take Retropolis for example. There are many people here who believe it's their weakest, but then there are others that believe its one of their best. Who's word do we take? I personally have always been in the middle when it comes to reviews. I read both the positive and negative reviews and come to my own conclusions. Thankfully, now, we have a myriad of ways of hearing songs from an album, and sometimes the album in its entirety, before we decide if want to buy it or not.
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