Flower Kings Appreciation Thread

zumacraig wrote: they might be going in cold, but probably not.  i bet everyone has some ideas and they'll attempt a more collaborative effort in fleshing out the songs and putting together arrangements.   i've always found the big rock band's creative process interesting.  i wonder if there ever was one that was so confident in their writing that they didn't write until they hit the studio, knowing something good would come out.  does that make sense?  for example, Floyd touring for a year and then coming to the studio and writing WYWH right on the spot.  I think Rush is like this. Personally, I 'write' stuff everyday on the guitar, but the actual songs that get finished usually come in a flash.  They usually don't integrate ideas i've been working on, but are brand new.

Tomas post from Facebook:  "Just arrived the studio! I feel this is going to be totally different from any other album we´ve made so far. Everything will be collectively composed in the studio. Right now we have rally nothing...more than a strong wish for making the best album ever:) "

My guess though is that what you say is probably close to the truth.  I can't see someone like Roine not having ANY ideas before going in the studio.  I suspect they all have things they want to try with the band and flesh out.

I think this could be either really great, or really bad.  Floyd did this for nearly every album and it worked pretty well for them.  Of course, they had a much more simple musical format that they worked in.

dennismoore wrote: infandous wrote: Well Dennis, I will actually agree with you for once  .......... in regards to the lyrics of the upcoming TA album.  I suspect Neal will make sure that there is at least one dramatic outro with barely concealed praise lyrics.  The last album wasn't really that bad though, IMO, until the final "section".  Of course, Roine contributed a good amount of lyrics to that one as well, so we can hope for more from him on the new album (though Barney would argue that that is not much of an improvement, of course ) My comment about the "preachiness" was simply that I don't ever really feel like I'm being told what I should do or that I'll burn in hell if I don't.  It's not like a sermon in church, in other words.  Though I went to Methodist church growing up, and there was very, very little of that there (I'm sure it's different for Catholics).  Like I said though, that one live album I have by Morse and band gets a bit too much like an old time evangelical praise sermon for me at certain points...... As to your favorite song that we keep hearing about.........I think I liked it okay before you kept bringing it up all the time   But, being truthful, I have always enjoyed the guitar solo in it..........   As usual, someone has to indulge/join me in senseless rantings for pages(like you have done,thanks) and I come to an actual salient point:   All kidding aside, TCFS is the whole package: At over 5 minutes it is a multi-element romp through time of prog goodness.  Very lovely, arrangement, musicianship, soloing, great harmonies, tempo changes and fun lyrics.  Just like TA "My New World" another complete masterpiece.  I never seek spirutual enlightnement in music I pay for so I've always underated pios lyrics in music, even when JA gets kinda preachy in YES, so I give extra points to TCFS for just having light & fun spirited lyrics, that is simply the icing on the cake!   Now get your Pitttsbugh Penguin lovin ass over to the JA-YES poll thread, I just "schooled" you over there.   Laterz.

"Schooled" me, eh   That's funny.  I do wonder what other people outside of this thread think of our back and forth though

Oh, hey, we agree about another thing...........My New World is a complete masterpiece!

Oh, yeah, I will NEVER change my avatar, now that you've asked

infandous wrote: "Schooled" me, eh   That's funny.  I do wonder what other people outside of this thread think of our back and forth though Oh, hey, we agree about another thing...........My New World is a complete masterpiece! Oh, yeah, I will NEVER change my avatar, now that you've asked

M27Barney wrote: infandous wrote: zumacraig wrote: Oh, and seminary was the final straw that made me an atheist...seriously. Heh, I have a bachelor's degree in Religious Studies.  While I'm not strictly an atheist, it certainly turned me off of organized religion for life. Barney, I did study Islam a bit as well, and I think it's needs the piss taken out of it as much, or more, than any other, that's for sure. Aye - but nobody dares to take the piss - They would kill you - no questions asked if you called their prophet a homicidal paedophile...which of course he was.......... Maybe thats the opening track of the anti-religious super-group......part 1 of the Maelstrom........ Part 1. The homicidal Paedophile, exits into daylight from the cave he's been hiding in waiting for the 2nd class package to arrive............ Part 2. Bloody hell - they've only gone an crucified him, wonder if that will have any ramifications? Part 3. Hey you - Campylobactor have feelings also - don't go using that indescriminate antibiotic auschwitz you NAZI....

 PA will be going off-line now as Salmon Rushdie has just been moved down to number 2 on the Muslim most wanted hit list.

zumacraig wrote: Oh, and seminary was the final straw that made me an atheist...seriously.

Dude,

Guys, that religion thing?

That was soooo last millennium.

dennismoore wrote: zumacraig wrote: Oh, and seminary was the final straw that made me an atheist...seriously. Dude,   I am not gonna touch this with a ten foot pole, my last venture into Religion was misunderstood and nobody stood up and answered my questions about St. Neal. As far as any parent watching their child crucified, anybody goes near my kid and they will be amazed(not in a good way) about what happens next...   About the actual crucifixion/Easter concept, the Bible is great when you simply believe what they tell you and you don't actually think about it(speaking from experience here). Example: Jonah lived inside a whale for a long time, ok, sure dude no prob. But if you actually use your brain you say "hmm, wait a minute, science tells us that whales don't have any hotel rooms inside their bodies, that dude would have suffocated..... You think differently.   When the ancient scrolls that were filtered & compiled to form the Bible, there was virtually no science, so the boss dudes were free to make up whatever story they thought would get people to follow.  Science always gets in the way of that, that's why Evangelicals always try to demonize science & scientists...   The idea of God being all powerful yet he had to have his son tortured & slaughtered to "save" us(his creation) is perfectly fine when you accept that simply cause your parents or St, Neal tells you to believe.  When you actually "think" about it, and you think about how the Jews were slaves(as were lots of tribes) and most of them lived in slavery with the odd torture & crucifixion mixed in, you could see where they would develop a religion where power & strength(what the Roman's posessed...) meant nothing and suffering & death led to heaven, well that became their "power" because that is all they had. Mind you, you won't get many followers saying "we all must suffer & die horribly to get to heaven", so you come up with..."ok, this person suffered & died horribly, so you don't have to, but.... you do have to listen to exactly what I tell you and then, you will get to heaven.  Sure sounds like something man would come up with, the more you live and get to know mankind.   If the Jews told their people that a big Jewish hero would save them and destroy the Romans, few Jews would believe the preacher(unless it happened soon) and he would have no following.  All religions are about getting people to follow and obey the top dudes. Similarly, the Roman's had no humility & suffering in their religion, their gods were all powerful, casue that is what they had, all the power in the world. So the Roman people would follow their directives...   Hmm, how's that for a rant?

The Jews are still expecting their savior to come, someday.  Only for them, it's always been a human (though chosen by God, of course)  that would lead them politically and spiritually and basically restore the kingdom of Israel as it was at it's peak.  The Christians took that farther, and decided that THEIR God (which is allegedly the same God as the Christians, though you wouldn't really know it from the difference in theology)  would come to earth in the form of his son of course, and wipe out all the bad people, non-believers, and the devil, and give all the believers paradise on earth.  Crazy man.

In my mid-20's, at a strange place in my life, I tried very hard to be a true believer.  I just couldn't do it.  "God" didn't seem to want to talk to me for some reason, though I did what some folks in a church and my good friend who took me there told me to do.  Still, they were all incredibly nice people and were totally non-judgmental and welcoming.  I only went 3 or 4 times, then just realized I couldn't suspend my disbelief enough to accept it as something real.  To them it was very real, and it obviously was a positive thing in their lives (I didn't know all of them, obviously, and wasn't there long enough to get a real feel for them, but in the church they were all wonderful people).  It didn't work for me, and I'm fine with that.  I found different answers to my questions and confusion.  When I listen to the Testimony albums I relate to a lot of what Neal was feeling before becoming born again.  I just didn't need to take the route he did to get to a better place in life and myself.  Back then Yes was my "praise" music.  Now it's the Flower Kings

darkshade wrote: Guys, that religion thing? That was soooo last millennium.

darkshade wrote: Religion in general. I don't know a lot of people in my generation (late teens to mid-late 20s) that still practice.

zumacraig wrote: they might be going in cold, but probably not.  i bet everyone has some ideas and they'll attempt a more collaborative effort in fleshing out the songs and putting together arrangements.   i've always found the big rock band's creative process interesting.  i wonder if there ever was one that was so confident in their writing that they didn't write until they hit the studio, knowing something good would come out.  does that make sense?  for example, Floyd touring for a year and then coming to the studio and writing WYWH right on the spot.  I think Rush is like this. Personally, I 'write' stuff everyday on the guitar, but the actual songs that get finished usually come in a flash.  They usually don't integrate ideas i've been working on, but are brand new.