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    Posted: January 30 2009 at 17:05
I have unearthed an absolute classic of a prog rock album from 1969.. Which I thought would be on Prog Archives
 
It aint!!!
 
White Noise "An Electric Storm" very first use of synths.. classic early prog sound.
 
Give it a try
 
(ok.. not much of a review.. but i am still shocked that they arent featured on here.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2009 at 17:13
It's a fantastic album. I discovered it pretty recently myself, after starting to look into the music of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (Delia Derbyshire and Brian Hodgson both contributed to the album).

There were several follow-up albums, none of which I've heard, so I'm not sure how well the entire White Noise discography would fit into PA. But it's definitely worth discussing!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2009 at 17:19

Do you think it will be added to Prog Archives?  Personally I think it should as it was one of the first electronic prog albums.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2009 at 17:30
It's not for me to say. If you think it should be added, make a thread in the "suggest new bands" forum.(Though actually, if the admin moved this thread, it would probably suffice).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2009 at 18:57
Originally posted by Frippertron Frippertron wrote:

I have unearthed an absolute classic of a prog rock album from 1969.. Which I thought would be on Prog Archives
 
It aint!!!
 
White Noise "An Electric Storm" very first use of synths.. classic early prog sound.
 
Give it a try
 
(ok.. not much of a review.. but i am still shocked that they arent featured on here.)
Minor point, but there are no synths on An Electric Storm and even if there were, it would not have been their first use.
 
White Noise have been suggested several times (a quick "Any Date" search will find most of them) - the last of which was a firm rejection by the Electronic Prog team (electronic - yes, prog - no), however I will move this thread into Suggest New Bands to see if anyone can think of a more appropriate subgenre or justification.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2009 at 00:18
Wow that's the first time I've seen anyone mention that album around here or anywhere for that matter. I listened to it recently too but I didn't think too much of it. It certainly is unique, but I don't know if I would classify it as prog completely. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2009 at 20:35
Hi,
 
It is one of those albums that ... is hard to mark down as this or that ... it is, in my book, a total experiment and as such it fills the same area that the Kraftwerks, Schulze's, Tangerine Dream's, Tomita's ... of the time.
 
The album itself, has a very dark side to it, that is somewhat un-pleasant to many years, but actually is well thought out and well designed. It tends to make a sort of statement that the whole experience is in one's mind, dream space or other wise ... confusing at times, but still interesting.
 
It is not the "only" album that makes use of the "dark themses" in their work that came out of England ... some folks over there love to talk/sing about their other-reality experiences and how they differ from real life.
 
If you are a "collector" of experiences, instead of record collector, this is one of those that you have to have, along with Brainticket's Cottonwood Hill.
 
There are more of these around ... I can think of Plus (album called Seven Deadly Sins) ... although that album comes off as a bit of a satire, rather than a scary version of it. Coven had a couple of nice things. I think the group Black Widow (have to listen to it again) had another one. ...
 
I always think of these as "experiments and experiences" in sound ... they are/become music at some point, but all in all they are a part of the school that used to say that all noise is music ... regardless. This is more like a "story/movie" inside your brain. If you come into it looking for another hit song ... please go home!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 10:10
Based on thier debut, I think they fit much better in Psychedelic/Space Rock section than Progressive Electronic.

Anyone beside myself heard the fantastic White Noise/Welfare State track Silence Is Requested In The Ultimate Abyss?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2009 at 04:13
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:



Anyone beside myself heard the fantastic White Noise/Welfare State track Silence Is Requested In The Ultimate Abyss?
You left out the vocalist, a certain John Peel (played it a couple of times on my radio show, including my Peel tribute show shortly after his death)  - I've have the album John Peel's Top Gear (BBC Records, of which it is the last track),  and  asa compilation seems to favour artists from Peel's Dandelion Records label. Could have sworn this album had been posted in PA - be through the various, Various sections  without joy and also find these to be in a confused mess, badly needing a sort out.
 
Odd we never thought of this album as progressive music when it was first released - musically original in the rock scene, it didn't fit into the broad box known as 'underground music' at the time. Perhaps in an odd way closer to the serious electronic musicians of the period e.g. Milton Subotnik. Kenny Everett plundered this album for sound samples for jingles on his radio shows (as I've done), so you could say side one was the wacky side (e.g. Here Come The Fleas) and side two the serious long tracks, especially that unearthly The Visitation which has remained a chilling favourite since I bought the album within a few weeks of its release. 
 
The CD issue had effects apparently "put back" which had  been edited out for the original LP release. I'm afraid these do detract , in particualr, on that favourite track of mine  when playing the CD. 
 
I vaguely remembering listening to White Noise 2 when we received a promo in our radio station, nothing remains, i.e. memory indicates it didn't have the startling originality of instrumentation NOR composition of Electric Storm.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2009 at 04:57
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:



Anyone beside myself heard the fantastic White Noise/Welfare State track Silence Is Requested In The Ultimate Abyss?
You left out the vocalist, a certain John Peel (played it a couple of times on my radio show, including my Peel tribute show shortly after his death)  - I've have the album John Peel's Top Gear (BBC Records, of which it is the last track), 
I never took notice that it was him on the vocals. I guess I would know if I've grew up in the UK. 

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:



Odd we never thought of this album as progressive music when it was first released - musically original in the rock scene, it didn't fit into the broad box known as 'underground music' at the time.


They didn't fit in back then, but I'm quite sure if they were a german band, they would already be one of the wackier bands in the Krautrock-section (again, based on the debut).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2009 at 14:33
Hi,
 
Compared to the 1st album, White Noise 2 .... was a disappointment to my ears.
 
I guess that by that time I had been bitten by the experimental bug, and some folks had already done weirder stuff and experiements for your brain ... some weird some not ... that were quite fun to listen to ...
 
It's also hard to miss the solo albums and experiments that were Neu/Rother/Roedelius/Heldon ... stuff that was, for all intents and purposes, really hard core experimentations with hard electronics, or something else ... and of course ... it's hard to dismiss the girl having an orgasm in Brainticket's album ... stuff that makes it attractive.
 
Electricl Storm, is, on that long cut ... rather scary. I sometimes think that Black Sabbath thought they knew what they were about, but were just trying  to get attention ... I always thought that their occult blahblah was just talk to get folks interested ... where as the long cut in this album comes off as a real sceance ... gone right or wrong, the scream would suggest as "wrong" ... but it could also be a suggestion of something else ... and I usually say "power in the hands of boys/kids is dangerous" ... and I have always thought that song was more suggestive of that kind of stuff than otherwise.
 
But there was an excellent side to the fun side of electronics ... check out M. Frogg ... Todd Rungren's friend. That first album is superbly fun and naughty!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2009 at 08:04
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Minor point, but there are no synths on An Electric Storm
 
The EMS VCS 3 was used extensively during the recording of An Electric Storm...
 
 - & if White Noise was rejected on those grounds, then check out White Noise II & III - they are synth-based space epics (11 & 12 min. songs I recall).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2009 at 08:08
^ Yes, I know that now - I was going on memory of it being a predominately tape-based construction by Derbyshire and Hodgson.
 
 
...and no, Electronic Prog Team did not reject them for that reason, it was because their Electronic music was not Progressive Electronic - http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=33


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2009 at 08:43
I don't know anything about White Noise, but just hearing them I'm baffled at how a band like The Residents can have a place in PA if these guys can't...they seem pretty similar to me.
 
I haven't heard II & III so I can't say if they're proggier than their debut - but I'd be interested to hear them!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2009 at 08:46
Originally posted by Arsihsis Arsihsis wrote:

I don't know anything about White Noise, but just hearing them I'm baffled at how a band like The Residents can have a place in PA if these guys can't...they seem pretty similar to me.
 
The Residents deserve a place if only for God In Three Persons!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2009 at 08:49
Originally posted by Arsihsis Arsihsis wrote:

I don't know anything about White Noise, but just hearing them I'm baffled at how a band like The Residents can have a place in PA if these guys can't...they seem pretty similar to me.
 
I haven't heard II & III so I can't say if they're proggier than their debut - but I'd be interested to hear them!
The Residents are in RIO/Avant Progressive, not Progressive Electronic. Stern Smile
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

[White Noise have been suggested several times (a quick "Any Date" search will find most of them) - the last of which was a firm rejection by the Electronic Prog team (electronic - yes, prog - no), however I will move this thread into Suggest New Bands to see if anyone can think of a more appropriate subgenre or justification.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2009 at 09:52
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I will move this thread into Suggest New Bands to see if anyone can think of a more appropriate subgenre or justification.
 
Thanks Dean. I appreciate your willingness toy give them another shot. Big smile
 
I do, though, see your points about An Electric Storm - it does lack the majority of the necessary prog elements, & while II & III aren't as memorable, they're certainly more prog-oriented in that the focus is on synth-driven space epics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2009 at 04:36
Originally posted by Arsihsis Arsihsis wrote:

I don't know anything about White Noise, but just hearing them I'm baffled at how a band like The Residents can have a place in PA if these guys can't...they seem pretty similar to me.
 
I haven't heard II & III so I can't say if they're proggier than their debut - but I'd be interested to hear them!


That's a very odd comparison to be drawing... Are you actually suggesting The Residents are stylistically similar to White Noise or am I misreading this?

And yes, though I'd happily admit that by no means everything The Residents have done are proggy, they have certainly made enough progressive music over the course of their career to justify their presence on PA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2009 at 05:26
Originally posted by Captain Capricorn Captain Capricorn wrote:

 
The Residents deserve a place if only for God In Three Persons!


There's about ten-fifteen Residents I'd rather mention to justify their place here, but ok. (How about Mark of The Mole, Eskimo, Not Available, Fingerprince?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2009 at 07:27

The Residents (already here - no further justification needed) are (IMO) irrelevant to the case of White Noise. Wink

Personally, I think An Electric Storm is an important and pioneering album in the development of Electronic Music of the late 60s that deserves to be documented on the PA in some form or other. Being released in 1969 it pre-dates Electronic Progressive music (early albums by Kraftwerk, as Organisation, and Tangerine Dream are more psychedelic/avant garde when compared to their later more electronic releases) and in that it isn't a Progressive Rock album, nor is it particularly Avant Garde - it is more an experimental Electronic/Electroacoustic album, it does not fit in either Progressive Electronic or RIO/Avant Progressive.
 
The problem for me is what Vorhaus did with White Noise after the departure of Derbyshire and Hodgson, which was less pioneering, less experimental and dare I say "tame" by comparison and bears comparision more to what Larry Fast was doing with Synergy than Klaus Schulze, Edgar Froese or Michael Hoenig (in fact I would go as far as to say that 'White Noise II - Concerto For Synthesizer' sounds *a lot* like "Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra").
 
So... (and I am not proposing them for submission myself btw) I think that either Proto Prog, (to recognise the influence of An Electric Storm on Electronic Progressive & Avant Garde - if that can be proven), or Prog Related (given the influence of An Electric Storm and that White Storm II through to White Noise V are not Progressive Rock) are the only two possibly viable claims for addition that I can see.
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