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Topic: Baseball 2009 Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:35 |
Originally posted by JJLehto
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine) Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system. Aceves was NO big name player. Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already..... And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want. Done
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Totally agreed... It would be fine to they stop spending that cuantity of money... I feel is too much when one single human being earns more than an entire nation... but we live on an unfair planet... for me is sad... but I'm sure that if the red soxs had the same amount of money the just make the same thing and those who are claiming right now would be glad.. right...???
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:40 |
Originally posted by manofmystery
Originally posted by rushfan4
I hate to say it because I am all for free market, but I would really like to see a salary cap in baseball. They did it in Hockey, and now the Red Wings, who used to be the Yankees of the NHL, have been brought back to the pack. They can no longer go out and buy the best players available like they used to before the cap. |
I'd like to point out that they have a salary cap in basketball and only 2-3 teams have a shot at the title each year, and they are the same 2-3 teams every year |
The kicker here is that for superstar NBA players their salaries are just a drop in the bucket compared to the money that they make in endorsements. Michael Jordan made over $100 million a year in endorsements, while his salary was whatever the league maximum was (probably more in the $5 to $10 million dollar range). The big endorsement dollars are going to come from the big cities New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles. LeBron is doing fine in Cleveland, but all the rumors are that he will leave Cleveland after this year to go to New York. Why? Because his endorsement income would probably triple. That is why I find it so odd that the Knicks have been so bad for so many years. They were decent during the Patrick Ewing years, but still never won the title (if my memory is correct). The Pistons had a shot at the title for about 5 or 6 straight years, but those days are now over. From the East it will probably be Cleveland, Boston, or Orlando, and from the West, it will probably be the Lakers again, but maybe San Antonio or Denver.
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:46 |
I'm not a Yankees fan but they are far from the only team that has bought a series. 1997 Florida Marlins come to mind.
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:54 |
Originally posted by JJLehto
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine) Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system. Aceves was NO big name player. Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already..... And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want. Done
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There are a lot more home grown players on the Yankees than they have had in previous years, but there is still the money factor involved in their ability to retain them. Yes, Matsui has always been a Yankee, but he was a star in Japan and the Yankees were able to spend the most money to bring him to New York, so he belongs in the A-Rod, Damon, Texiera, CC, AJ, Mark category.
As far as Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera all being Yankees for their entire careers, that is fine, but again it is the money that has allowed the Yankees to keep these players for their entire careers. Probably more than half of the teams in the league can only afford to retain 1 or 2 of those type of players and in so doing, they are not able to go out and sign CC, Mark, AJ, Matsui, and renew A-Rod's contract.
I would say that there are probably only 4 or 5 teams in the league that can possibly match the Yankees dollar for dollar in spending, but I think most of them are stretched to the max, where the Yankees could probably comfortably spend another $100 million in salaries and still have room to spare. Basically every year though, when a big name free agent is available you can pretty much bet that he is going to end up as a Yankee, a Met, a Red Sox, a Dodger, or an Angel. The next tier of teams is probably the White Sox, the Tigers, the Cardinals, the Phillies, maybe the Mariners. And the rest of the teams are basically around to develop players and then when they reach their prime let them leave and sign big contracts with the aforementioned teams. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the Cubs under new ownership, because they really should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees every year.
Teams like the Royals, the Rays, the Marlins, the A's, and the Pirates will probably forever be AAAA minor league teams until a better system is in place. And as far as the Twins go, I have no freakin' idea how they are competitive every year. Ron Gardenhire must be the best manager in the history of the game. But it will be interesting to see how far downhill they go next year without the bounces of the astroturf and the lost flyballs in the dome roof once they move outdoors.
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:19 |
Originally posted by rushfan4
Originally posted by JJLehto
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine) Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system. Aceves was NO big name player. Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already..... And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want. Done
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There are a lot more home grown players on the Yankees than they have had in previous years, but there is still the money factor involved in their ability to retain them. Yes, Matsui has always been a Yankee, but he was a star in Japan and the Yankees were able to spend the most money to bring him to New York, so he belongs in the A-Rod, Damon, Texiera, CC, AJ, Mark category.
As far as Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera all being Yankees for their entire careers, that is fine, but again it is the money that has allowed the Yankees to keep these players for their entire careers. Probably more than half of the teams in the league can only afford to retain 1 or 2 of those type of players and in so doing, they are not able to go out and sign CC, Mark, AJ, Matsui, and renew A-Rod's contract.
I would say that there are probably only 4 or 5 teams in the league that can possibly match the Yankees dollar for dollar in spending, but I think most of them are stretched to the max, where the Yankees could probably comfortably spend another $100 million in salaries and still have room to spare. Basically every year though, when a big name free agent is available you can pretty much bet that he is going to end up as a Yankee, a Met, a Red Sox, a Dodger, or an Angel. The next tier of teams is probably the White Sox, the Tigers, the Cardinals, the Phillies, maybe the Mariners. And the rest of the teams are basically around to develop players and then when they reach their prime let them leave and sign big contracts with the aforementioned teams. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the Cubs under new ownership, because they really should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees every year.
Teams like the Royals, the Rays, the Marlins, the A's, and the Pirates will probably forever be AAAA minor league teams until a better system is in place. And as far as the Twins go, I have no freakin' idea how they are competitive every year. Ron Gardenhire must be the best manager in the history of the game. But it will be interesting to see how far downhill they go next year without the bounces of the astroturf and the lost flyballs in the dome roof once they move outdoors. |
Hey dude... your'e surely an addicted to sports, don't miss to put it on the vices Thread... jejeje... the Twins rocks man..!!! that's all I have to say... besides that I'm agree with you... The system is a mess right now...
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Posted: November 08 2009 at 13:40 |
Originally posted by jampa17
Originally posted by rushfan4
Originally posted by JJLehto
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine) Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system. Aceves was NO big name player. Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already..... And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want. Done
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There are a lot more home grown players on the Yankees than they have had in previous years, but there is still the money factor involved in their ability to retain them. Yes, Matsui has always been a Yankee, but he was a star in Japan and the Yankees were able to spend the most money to bring him to New York, so he belongs in the A-Rod, Damon, Texiera, CC, AJ, Mark category.
As far as Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera all being Yankees for their entire careers, that is fine, but again it is the money that has allowed the Yankees to keep these players for their entire careers. Probably more than half of the teams in the league can only afford to retain 1 or 2 of those type of players and in so doing, they are not able to go out and sign CC, Mark, AJ, Matsui, and renew A-Rod's contract.
I would say that there are probably only 4 or 5 teams in the league that can possibly match the Yankees dollar for dollar in spending, but I think most of them are stretched to the max, where the Yankees could probably comfortably spend another $100 million in salaries and still have room to spare. Basically every year though, when a big name free agent is available you can pretty much bet that he is going to end up as a Yankee, a Met, a Red Sox, a Dodger, or an Angel. The next tier of teams is probably the White Sox, the Tigers, the Cardinals, the Phillies, maybe the Mariners. And the rest of the teams are basically around to develop players and then when they reach their prime let them leave and sign big contracts with the aforementioned teams. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the Cubs under new ownership, because they really should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees every year.
Teams like the Royals, the Rays, the Marlins, the A's, and the Pirates will probably forever be AAAA minor league teams until a better system is in place. And as far as the Twins go, I have no freakin' idea how they are competitive every year. Ron Gardenhire must be the best manager in the history of the game. But it will be interesting to see how far downhill they go next year without the bounces of the astroturf and the lost flyballs in the dome roof once they move outdoors. |
Hey dude... your'e surely an addicted to sports, don't miss to put it on the vices Thread... jejeje... the Twins rocks man..!!! that's all I have to say... besides that I'm agree with you... The system is a mess right now... |
The funny thing is that the Royals,Marlins,A's and Pirates all had their day. It is possible for a team with a small payroll to make it to the WS,case in point Tampa Bay last year. The window to do so is limited and small. Ballplayers want money like we all do and they will go free agent if they are smart and good enough to command the dollars. This is where the smaller payroll teams can't compete. No matter what anyone says KC,Seattle,Pittsburgh,Oakland cannot compete with the Yankees bankroll when it comes to TV revenue. All the teams get money from MLB for the TV package but the Yanks have their own separate TV deal/TV network.
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