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    Posted: January 09 2011 at 14:06
Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by Tuzvihar

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Thanks Dean. I agree that the chances of having 44 guys from the same region on Venezuela having the same ISP with this peculiar network architecture, who were having PA accounts and were interested in the same albums are very, very low. LOL
Quite. Generally that's not enough, but it's a good indication that I need to investigate further.


Maybe it's an internet cafe which happens to be used by many progheads? Tongue
Statistics and probability says: "really?"
 
 
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^ Thing I'll have a Progachino!
Frippachino surely.

DefinitelyLOL

And my friend will have a Yespresso!


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Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Originally posted by Tuzvihar

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Thanks Dean. I agree that the chances of having 44 guys from the same region on Venezuela having the same ISP with this peculiar network architecture, who were having PA accounts and were interested in the same albums are very, very low. LOL
Quite. Generally that's not enough, but it's a good indication that I need to investigate further.


Maybe it's an internet cafe which happens to be used by many progheads? Tongue
Statistics and probability says: "really?"
 
 
Originally posted by Snow Dog

^ Thing I'll have a Progachino!
Frippachino surely.


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^ Thing I'll have a Progachino!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tuzvihar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2011 at 13:17
Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Thanks Dean. I agree that the chances of having 44 guys from the same region on Venezuela having the same ISP with this peculiar network architecture, who were having PA accounts and were interested in the same albums are very, very low. LOL
Quite. Generally that's not enough, but it's a good indication that I need to investigate further.


Maybe it's an internet cafe which happens to be used by many progheads? Tongue
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Thanks Dean. I agree that the chances of having 44 guys from the same region on Venezuela having the same ISP with this peculiar network architecture, who were having PA accounts and were interested in the same albums are very, very low. LOL
Quite. Generally that's not enough, but it's a good indication that I need to investigate further.


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The ironic/tragic thing is that the album in question is a genuine superb album which does not need this kind of a bull**** type of support. That's my $ 20 opinion. 
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Thanks Dean. I agree that the chances of having 44 guys from the same region on Venezuela having the same ISP with this peculiar network architecture, who were having PA accounts and were interested in the same albums are very, very low. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:33
Originally posted by Snow Dog

 

Are you talking about BADGUY666? That he matches 44 usernaames? I don't get it.
Admins have access to data you cannot see and don't have access to. We can correlate usernames with reviews and ratings using tools in the Admin panel - again I don't want to reveal too much in public as that kind of information can be used make it harder for us to track the badguys.


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Originally posted by harmonium.ro

I have one question about IPs, do you guys have the means to make the difference between such a pure villain and the case of that network architecture that assigned all the customers from the network the same IP? Last year I was using a mobile internet provider who had this type of network, all their customers from a whole region had the same IP. [I didn't notice this until many websites told me that I can't access their services because my IP seems to be accesing them already at that time (meaning that someone with the same IP as mine was accessing the site right then).]
Don't want to reveal too much in public, but let's just say on the global scale of things we are a small site with a limited number of visitors so statistics come into play.


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Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by Tony R

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Note username. Posted in November.
Just a quick update on this to keep people in the picture (so to speak)
 
The IP address matched 44 usernames and 314 revews/ratings - that's above and beyond coincidence and it's going to take a while to sort that lot out so please bear with us.
 
 
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Are you talking about BADGUY666? That he matches 44 usernaames? I don't get it.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote harmonium.ro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:23
I have one question about IPs, do you guys have the means to make the difference between such a pure villain and the case of that network architecture that assigned all the customers from the network the same IP? Last year I was using a mobile internet provider who had this type of network, all their customers from a whole region had the same IP. [I didn't notice this until many websites told me that I can't access their services because my IP seems to be accesing them already at that time (meaning that someone with the same IP as mine was accessing the site right then).]
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Originally posted by Tony R

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Note username. Posted in November.
Just a quick update on this to keep people in the picture (so to speak)
 
The IP address matched 44 usernames and 314 revews/ratings - that's above and beyond coincidence and it's going to take a while to sort that lot out so please bear with us.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2011 at 06:49
Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Thanks Dean. But I thought the word "sanction" can be used like that. The UN put sanctions on, say, Libya or North Korea, don't they?
It's one of those tricky words that can mean restrinctions imposed upon, or authoritative approval for. It means a "sacred law" where the law itself can either approve or punish. Generally if you use it to mean punishment you mean it as measures to prevent an illicit action, rather than measures as the result of an illicit action.


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^^ LOL have you done a reviews search on IP address for that puppy? Shocked

Edited by Dean - January 07 2011 at 06:42


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I don't know about Kobaia, but "Sanction" is a word much used in both IT, in the business world and in employment cases in the English speaking world. 

......but I think most people here is berating Dean & the admins for not use the ultimate type of Kobaian sanctions. 

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Note username. Posted in November.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote harmonium.ro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2011 at 05:49
Thanks Dean. But I thought the word "sanction" can be used like that. The UN put sanctions on, say, Libya or North Korea, don't they?
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Question: is the sanction for ratings manipulation an IP ban or just a simple account suspension?
"sanction" is the wrong word Alex. We don't sanction ratings manipulation. Wink
 
The punishment is account suspension, and where possible IP blocking.


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Question: is the sanction for ratings manipulation an IP ban or just a simple account suspension?
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I am helping them as much as I can - these are my limits unfortunately. 
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