List manipulation?

I'd say: All is fair in love, war and ratings.

^^^ Yes, but that's just a consequence of the used algorithm...It will go down when more serious (collaborators) reviews are posted. I didn't post this complaint because I want to see Gazpacho high, but just because I think it's crazy that only PF would be 5* and all the rest garbage... The person clearly wants to see the PF albums high in the charts....

^ Of course I agree that those ratings can hardly be taken seriously ... but where do you draw the line? I've seen many collabs give 1 star to albums that are firmly in the 4-5 stars range with broad support from normal members and collabs ... should we nuke those "hateboys" too?

Will be checked out, thanks for reporting. Remember though that ratings without reviews have much reduced influence on the ratings calculations.

Originally posted by Ricochet Originally posted by Soul Dreamer ^^^ Yes, but that's just a consequence of the used algorithm...It will go down when more serious (collaborators) reviews are posted. I didn't post this complaint because I want to see Gazpacho high, but just because I think it's crazy that only PF would be 5* and all the rest garbage... The person clearly wants to see the PF albums high in the charts.... It's because of the current algorithm that Gazpacho's album, with just 25 ratings, is among 20-30 albums with more than 400-500 ratings?!

Must be one helluva album!   I like what Gazpacho I've heard, so I should get this when I can.

What I've heard is good enough....but not 4.80 good.....maybe 4.05 or so.....listening to some tracks now.

I intend to, but I also like to give it some time because first impressions (especially in prog) can be pretty skewed. If I end up giving it a 4 as I suspect, it will make very little difference. But I have some more listens first and a few other albums ahead of it in the queue.

I'm surprised to see an album in the top ten (Gazpacho's) with only  four reviews.  It has 23 ratings without reviews (mind you, one of those ratings is ProgLucky's so that makes a difference).

Originally posted by micky I'm not...  but that's why I've suggested letting everyone has their voice.. their say.. their ratings and reviews.  but only using collab reviews to do the site's album lists. some of the benefits... encourage people to write reviews... write good ones... and get promoted to where their reviews count if influencing the rankings matters that much. eliminates manipulation.... manipulating collabs soon lose the ability to manipulate.. and also being a collab.

I think that punishes the 95% of the non-collaborators who give a sh*t about what they do.

Originally posted by Epignosis Originally posted by micky I'm not...  but that's why I've suggested letting everyone has their voice.. their say.. their ratings and reviews.  but only using collab reviews to do the site's album lists. some of the benefits... encourage people to write reviews... write good ones... and get promoted to where their reviews count if influencing the rankings matters that much. eliminates manipulation.... manipulating collabs soon lose the ability to manipulate.. and also being a collab. I think that punishes the 95% of the non-collaborators who give a sh*t about what they do.

punishing?   I think that is getting into the realm of melodramatic.   I'm not the one crying about the album lists... I learned to ignore them years ago. Some are though.. and  if people want rankings and lists that mean something... let the professional reviewers influence them.  If one isn't one... then try to become one.  Otherwise no one is punished.. anyone and everyone can review albums. If someone is upset about not being able to manipulate the charts.. then most likely they are reviewing for the wrong reasons anyway.