Trevor Rabin on PA |
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stewe
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Topic: Trevor Rabin on PA Posted: April 18 2009 at 05:17 |
Hi there, I'd like to suggest inclusion of this Yes member on PA.
His solo pieces are definitely prog related, especially great and quite proggy Can't Look Away with Ezrin and White, or Wolf with Manfred Mann, or collection 90124 consisting of some original and 80/90s Yes material. And he has straight connection on one of the most important bands on PA. I guess lot of people who search for side projects of Yes would be interested. As there is Asia, GTR, Conspiracy among others, even White and his Ramshackled - all music which is often far from beign prog (related), Rabin's solo work deserves to be there as well (like him or not). |
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ghost_of_morphy
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
Posted: April 18 2009 at 05:23 |
LOL. The Ramshackled citation should hit home. If that is here, Rabin deserves a mention.
Of course, Boston should be added first! Edited by ghost_of_morphy - April 18 2009 at 05:24 |
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J-Man
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: April 18 2009 at 17:56 |
This should be posted in "Suggest New Bands and Artists", but anyway I do believe Rabin should be somewhere on PA without a doubt.
As previously mentioned, Boston should be added a well |
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JLocke
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
Posted: April 18 2009 at 17:58 |
Yes, Boston and Rabin deserve at least a PR mention.
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 18 2009 at 18:06 |
I agree, but most don't. |
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Raff
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Posted: April 18 2009 at 18:10 |
I agree that this thread should be moved to Suggest New Bands and Artists...
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stewe
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Czechoslovakia Status: Offline Points: 593 |
Posted: April 19 2009 at 04:13 |
Boston would be my second suggestion as well:) They have also some prog relations, especially
extensive use of Hammond organ, complexity and arrangements of songs. I perceive their music to be progressive and very innovative, but according to PA categories it is discutable. However Rabin should be there for sure.
I'm sorry for being unaware about using PA forum groups, I don't know how to move it to "suggestions". |
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 04:37 |
This should be in the Suggest New Bands and Artists section.
Edited by TheProgtologist - April 19 2009 at 04:38 |
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stewe
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Czechoslovakia Status: Offline Points: 593 |
Posted: April 19 2009 at 05:03 |
Thanks for moving the thread. So please give the artist your support!:)
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lazland
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 13:21 |
Happy to support this inclusion. Rabin played an essential part in prog history with his time in Yes, and from what little I have heard of his solo stuff, it is at the very least prog related.
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rushfan4
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 13:26 |
Not that I am against Rabin's inclusion, but I suspect there are many who blame Rabin for de-progifying Yes rather than being a prog musician. And although that band relationship exists, you are bound to get Ivan responding about that country singer who sung on a Peter Gabriel album but who doesn't belong. Or maybe me saying that Phil Collins belongs in Prog Related because he used to sing and play drums for a couple certain prog bands. |
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Raff
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 13:48 |
This is going to tear to site apart, though the reasons posted so far make a lot of sense (and I am not a Rabin fan by any means). Unless someone puts their foot down hard and tell troublemakers to stop, this has the potential to turn extremely unpleasant, as Scott implied in his previous post. And then, if having been a member of a prog band is a qualifying factor for inclusion, I'm afraid Lemmy's Motorhead have as much right to be here as Rabin (or Phil Collins for that matter)
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stewe
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 17:47 |
So why there is mentioned Alan White or GTR then?:) And many others? What about Mike Rutherford, Roger Hodgson or Jon Anderson for example? Only "proggy" album from Jon is maybe Olias of Sunhillow. If I understood well someone who, according to some of you, "deprogified" (which I think rather the opposite - but it is different matter of percieving the word progressive) the band has no place here even though his solo output has more to do with progressive music than other artists. It sounds like personal partiality towards some members (including Collins, though his solo is most probably further from prog:). |
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J-Man
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 18:35 |
That is a very good point. Then again, Rabin's solo music is much more prog-related than anything by Phil Collins. I don't believe Rabin should be added because he was in Yes. It's mostly because he's a skilled musician with prog-influenced music who (coincidentally) happened to play with Yes. |
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 20:27 |
He has a point against Phil because Phil never really released anything that anybody of sound mind would say sounds like prog. One could make an argument that Phil should be here as a reference for people who are interested in his work with Genesis, Brand X, and other projects, but one could also make a point that his solo stuff just isn't anywhere near prog.
It is much much harder to argue against Rabin and Boston. Both produced music that has a clear affinity with prog that should be enough to get them into prog related. Both suffer from prejudices held against them by certain people who view their contributions as steps backward. Both belong here despite that. Edited by ghost_of_morphy - April 19 2009 at 20:29 |
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 20:32 |
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 20:44 |
I'd vote dead against both, but admittedly my ideas of progressive music are far different than the majority of users of this site. I've long since stopped losing sleep over it, believe me. I accept what is added here as just more stuff to write about (a positive thing) while my own definition of progressive music remains a personal thing.
Whatever is decided, my respect for the Collabs who work their asses off on content creation does not change. Kudos. |
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 19 2009 at 20:54 |
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: April 20 2009 at 04:38 |
Lately I have also decided that it is better to think in this manner.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: April 20 2009 at 04:40 |
Without Rabin would not have had the return of Yes.
I do not believe that Rabin music is Prog... But Rabin has certainly written a very important page with Yes (and for Prog).
I am for its inclusion in PA... Even if, say, his music is not Prog (good for Prog Related).
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