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Posted: September 18 2015 at 14:15 |
Speaking of the Syrian Refugee Crisis, a co-worker of mine just posted this documentary on her Facebook wall. Looks like just as was the case with the Taliban and IS, the United States and NATO have way more to answer for in this crisis than the popular media narrative lets on...
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Remember of that incident with David Cameron and the pig? Looks like it's only the tip of the iceberg. Between the Jimmy Savile scandal and the Rotherham sex slavery coverup, is there any British public institution left that hasn't covered up rape for the sake of public relations? No wonder it took so long for them to catch "the Yorkshire Ripper" Peter Sutcliffe...
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Toaster Mantis wrote:
Remember of that incident with David Cameron and the pig? Looks like it's only the tip of the iceberg. Between the Jimmy Savile scandal and the Rotherham sex slavery coverup, is there any British public institution left that hasn't covered up rape for the sake of public relations?
No wonder it took so long for them to catch "the Yorkshire Ripper" Peter Sutcliffe...
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While I don't entirely believe the pig thing, I am curious as to why Downing Street didn't immediately and officially hammer it as categorically false. I suspect that it's probably because other matters in book - Cameron's knowledge of Ashcroft's tax affairs and so on are not things that Cameron wants to comment on.
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 00:51 |
John Boehner, Speaker of the House, has announced his resignation, not just from his position but his Congress seat entirely, mid term, due to pressure by members of his own party.
Officially it's because of Planned Parenthood, specifically that he was willing to keep PP funded to prevent another government shutdown as was being threatened, but it seems to be the culmination of frustration by the fervent anti gov members...lots of criticism about him not being tough enough on Obama and too willing to moderate...scary times that Boehner, whose been as big a road block as there can be and has presided over a gov shutdown already, has been dubbed not extreme enough.
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TGM: Orb wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Remember of that incident with David Cameron and the pig? Looks like it's only the tip of the iceberg. Between the Jimmy Savile scandal and the Rotherham sex slavery coverup, is there any British public institution left that hasn't covered up rape for the sake of public relations?
No wonder it took so long for them to catch "the Yorkshire Ripper" Peter Sutcliffe...
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While I don't entirely believe the pig thing, I am curious as to why Downing Street didn't immediately and officially hammer it as categorically false. I suspect that it's probably because other matters in book - Cameron's knowledge of Ashcroft's tax affairs and so on are not things that Cameron wants to comment on. |
I kind of take it as only half of the truth... some of those prep scghool and Unis have some fairly brutal initiation processes...and going through them is supposed to create some kind of bond for later business life. Eton pupils (Cameron was one of them) are generally known to be able to get away with murder... They could destroy any establisjment/pub/hotel and the families would pay for the damages aqs long as it didn't fgo public. It seems that the Eton mentality still has something of a Feudal/medieval sprit and privilage going on today... Outrightly denying it would start the press to show them wrong... better to lay lmow profile on this issue and act as to ignore it.
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On another subject, I'm starting to really wonder how much our democracies are actually democratic, after this Catalan thing!! (This post is valid if the numbers expressed on Sundau evening are still valid, of course >> no time to check them) I mean, this independance issue was called a "landslide victory", but I actually think the NO votes won.... Indeed if the two separatist parties won 72 or the 132 seats up for stakes in these elections (this a comfortable majority, but not a landslide), they only gathered 48% of the votes expressed (don't get we wrong, this is already imprssive, as in Belgium, it would take 4 parties to gather that %age), meaning that the other non-separitist parties gathered the remaining 52% of them ballots... The discrepency between the seats and actual %age of votes has me wondering. .. Just how proportional are those seats attributions?? So AFAIAC, Catalonia actually said NO to independance, because the YES votes did not get the needed 51% Just like the UK elections seemed somewhat "rigged" since the actual voting results doesn't reflect the seat attribution in Westminster parliament.... Or FTM the US' system of these electors and a state going entirely to one party - even if the state's outcome was 51/49 It seems that proportionality (or proportional representation of the people) is more and more erased from our" democracies". This is nothing new of course, but it never seemed so flagrant as today.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-defense-official-russia-has-launched-airstrikes-in-syria/ar-AAeX7Jj Russian military TV channel "Star" today (30.09.2015.) released "explosive" news that Syrian President Assad sought Russian military aid, which, for now, only applies to the engagement air forces. As it has already discussed the Russian Council for National Security, it's expected proposal of the President of Russian Federation on this issue. It becomes clear now that the question of the survival of the Syrian President is a matter not so much of American politics and already comply with the requirements of the US strategic partners in the wider region, particularly the Israel. Israel has received guarantees that will not be threatened by Assad's actions, at the Putin-Netanyahu meeting, a few days before the session at the UN. Saudis, as truly feudal state, whose ruling clan in the list of beneficiaries has Al Qaeda and IS, have a vital interest to see fail of no secular Arab country (Libya, Egypt , Syria, Iraq). Therefore, Saudis will either be isolated or less supported by the United States in the coming period, because by reporting US media it's clearly to see that slowly changing of Washington and London crusader-like politics on the Middle East. < name="edit-text" ="0" ="goog-" id="contribute-target" style="height: auto; padding-right: 20px; -ms-overflow-x: auto; -ms-overflow-y: ; -sizing: border-;" dir="ltr" spellcheck="false" rows="1" wrap="SOFT" autocomplete="off" autocorrect="off" autocapitalize="off">
Ваш допринос ће се користити за побољшање квалитета превода и може анонимно да буде приказан корисницима Ruski vojni TV kanal "Zvezda" je danas (30.09.2015.) objavio eksplozivnu vest da je sirijski predsednik Asad tražio rusku vojnu pomoć koja se, za sada, odnosi samo na angažovanje vojnovazdušnih snaga. Po ruskim zakonima o tome je već raspravljao ruski Savet za državnu bezbednost, očekuje predlog predsednika RF po ovom pitanju. Postaje jasno da je pitanje opstanka sirijskog predsednika stvar ne toliko američke politike već američkog udovoljavanja zahtevima strateških partnera u širem regionu, prevashodno izraelskih i sudijskih. Izrael je tražio i dobio garancije RF da neće biti ugrožen Asadovim dejstvima, na sastanku Putin-Netanjahu, par dana pre sednice GS OUN. Saudijci, istinski imperijalni Arapi, čiji vladajući klan na listi korisnika ima i Al Kaidu i ISIL i koji su u tesnim vezama i sa porodicama Katara, Emirata, Omana i Kuvajta, imaju životni interes da ne uspe ni jedna sekularna arapska država (Libija, Egipat, Sirija, Irak). Oni će biti ili izolovani ili slabije podržavani od SAD u narednom periodu jer se po izveštavanju američkih medija jasno vidi da se polako menja kurs Vašingtona prema Bliskom Istoku. SAD neće od jednom napustiti ni finansiranje ni organizovanje antiasadovskih (antiruskih) snaga u regionu, već je promena njihovog kursa uslovljena nedostatkom novca - u toku je skandal oko nameštanja i menjanja stvarnih izveštaja od strane glavnog vojnog obaveštajca pri Štabu oružanih snaga SAD na BI - Amerikanci su spalili (preko privatnih bezbednosnih i vojnih kompanija pokrali) poko 500 miliona dolara za organizovanje i ubacivanje samo 3000 antiasadovskih terorista u Siriju.Ruski vojni TV kanal "Zvezda" je danas (30.09.2015.) objavio eksplozivnu vest da je sirijski predsednik Asad tražio rusku vojnu pomoć koja se, za sada, odnosi samo na angažovanje vojnovazdušnih snaga. Po ruskim zakonima o tome je već raspravljao ruski Savet za državnu bezbednost, očekuje predlog predsednika RF po ovom pitanju. Postaje jasno da je pitanje opstanka sirijskog predsednika stvar ne toliko američke politike već američkog udovoljavanja zahtevima strateških partnera u širem regionu, prevashodno izraelskih i sudijskih. Izrael je tražio i dobio garancije RF da neće biti ugrožen Asadovim dejstvima, na sastanku Putin-Netanjahu, par dana pre sednice GS OUN. Saudijci, istinski imperijalni Arapi, čiji vladajući klan na listi korisnika ima i Al Kaidu i ISIL i koji su u tesnim vezama i sa porodicama Katara, Emirata, Omana i Kuvajta, imaju životni interes da ne uspe ni jedna sekularna arapska država (Libija, Egipat, Sirija, Irak). Oni će biti ili izolovani ili slabije podržavani od SAD u narednom periodu jer se po izveštavanju američkih medija jasno vidi da se polako menja kurs Vašingtona prema Bliskom Istoku. SAD neće od jednom napustiti ni finansiranje ni organizovanje antiasadovskih (antiruskih) snaga u regionu, već je promena njihovog kursa uslovljena nedostatkom novca - u toku je skandal oko nameštanja i menjanja stvarnih izveštaja od strane glavnog vojnog obaveštajca pri Štabu oružanih snaga SAD na BI - Amerikanci su spalili (preko privatnih bezbednosnih i vojnih kompanija pokrali) poko 500 miliona dolara za organizovanje i ubacivanje samo 3000 antiasadovskih terorista u Siriju.
Дефиниције за Ruski vojni TV kanal "Zvezda" je danas (30.09.2015.) objavio eksplozivnu vest da je sirijski predsednik Asad tražio rusku vojnu pomoć koja se, za sada, odnosi samo na angažovanje vojnovazdušnih snaga. Po ruskim zakonima o tome je već raspravljao ruski Savet za državnu bezbednost, očekuje predlog predsednika RF po ovom pitanju. Postaje jasno da je pitanje opstanka sirijskog predsednika stvar ne toliko američke politike već američkog udovoljavanja zahtevima strateških partnera u širem regionu, prevashodno izraelskih i sudijskih. Izrael je tražio i dobio garancije RF da neće biti ugrožen Asadovim dejstvima, na sastanku Putin-Netanjahu, par dana pre sednice GS OUN. Saudijci, istinski imperijalni Arapi, čiji vladajući klan na listi korisnika ima i Al Kaidu i ISIL i koji su u tesnim vezama i sa porodicama Katara, Emirata, Omana i Kuvajta, imaju životni interes da ne uspe ni jedna sekularna arapska država (Libija, Egipat, Sirija, Irak). Oni će biti ili izolovani ili slabije podržavani od SAD u narednom periodu jer se po izveštavanju američkih medija jasno vidi da se polako menja kurs Vašingtona prema Bliskom Istoku. SAD neće od jednom napustiti ni finansiranje ni organizovanje antiasadovskih (antiruskih) snaga u regionu, već je promena njihovog kursa uslovljena nedostatkom novca - u toku je skandal oko nameštanja i menjanja stvarnih izveštaja od strane glavnog vojnog obaveštajca pri Štabu oružanih snaga SAD na BI - Amerikanci su spalili (preko privatnih bezbednosnih i vojnih kompanija pokrali) poko 500 miliona dolara za organizovanje i ubacivanje samo 3000 antiasadovskih terorista u Siriju.
Синоними за Ruski vojni TV kanal "Zvezda" je danas (30.09.2015.) objavio eksplozivnu vest da je sirijski predsednik Asad tražio rusku vojnu pomoć koja se, za sada, odnosi samo na angažovanje vojnovazdušnih snaga. Po ruskim zakonima o tome je već raspravljao ruski Savet za državnu bezbednost, očekuje predlog predsednika RF po ovom pitanju. Postaje jasno da je pitanje opstanka sirijskog predsednika stvar ne toliko američke politike već američkog udovoljavanja zahtevima strateških partnera u širem regionu, prevashodno izraelskih i sudijskih. Izrael je tražio i dobio garancije RF da neće biti ugrožen Asadovim dejstvima, na sastanku Putin-Netanjahu, par dana pre sednice GS OUN. Saudijci, istinski imperijalni Arapi, čiji vladajući klan na listi korisnika ima i Al Kaidu i ISIL i koji su u tesnim vezama i sa porodicama Katara, Emirata, Omana i Kuvajta, imaju životni interes da ne uspe ni jedna sekularna arapska država (Libija, Egipat, Sirija, Irak). Oni će biti ili izolovani ili slabije podržavani od SAD u narednom periodu jer se po izveštavanju američkih medija jasno vidi da se polako menja kurs Vašingtona prema Bliskom Istoku. SAD neće od jednom napustiti ni finansiranje ni organizovanje antiasadovskih (antiruskih) snaga u regionu, već je promena njihovog kursa uslovljena nedostatkom novca - u toku je skandal oko nameštanja i menjanja stvarnih izveštaja od strane glavnog vojnog obaveštajca pri Štabu oružanih snaga SAD na BI - Amerikanci su spalili (preko privatnih bezbednosnih i vojnih kompanija pokrali) poko 500 miliona dolara za organizovanje i ubacivanje samo 3000 antiasadovskih terorista u Siriju.
Примери за Ruski vojni TV kanal "Zvezda" je danas (30.09.2015.) objavio eksplozivnu vest da je sirijski predsednik Asad tražio rusku vojnu pomoć koja se, za sada, odnosi samo na angažovanje vojnovazdušnih snaga. Po ruskim zakonima o tome je već raspravljao ruski Savet za državnu bezbednost, očekuje predlog predsednika RF po ovom pitanju. Postaje jasno da je pitanje opstanka sirijskog predsednika stvar ne toliko američke politike već američkog udovoljavanja zahtevima strateških partnera u širem regionu, prevashodno izraelskih i sudijskih. Izrael je tražio i dobio garancije RF da neće biti ugrožen Asadovim dejstvima, na sastanku Putin-Netanjahu, par dana pre sednice GS OUN. Saudijci, istinski imperijalni Arapi, čiji vladajući klan na listi korisnika ima i Al Kaidu i ISIL i koji su u tesnim vezama i sa porodicama Katara, Emirata, Omana i Kuvajta, imaju životni interes da ne uspe ni jedna sekularna arapska država (Libija, Egipat, Sirija, Irak). Oni će biti ili izolovani ili slabije podržavani od SAD u narednom periodu jer se po izveštavanju američkih medija jasno vidi da se polako menja kurs Vašingtona prema Bliskom Istoku. SAD neće od jednom napustiti ni finansiranje ni organizovanje antiasadovskih (antiruskih) snaga u regionu, već je promena njihovog kursa uslovljena nedostatkom novca - u toku je skandal oko nameštanja i menjanja stvarnih izveštaja od strane glavnog vojnog obaveštajca pri Štabu oružanih snaga SAD na BI - Amerikanci su spalili (preko privatnih bezbednosnih i vojnih kompanija pokrali) poko 500 miliona dolara za organizovanje i ubacivanje samo 3000 antiasadovskih terorista u Siriju.
Преводи за „Ruski vojni TV kanal "Zvezda" je danas (30.09.2015.) objavio eksplozivnu vest da je sirijski predsednik Asad tražio rusku vojnu pomoć koja se, za sada, odnosi samo na angažovanje vojnovazdušnih snaga. Po ruskim zakonima o tome je već raspravljao ruski Savet za državnu bezbednost, očekuje predlog predsednika RF po ovom pitanju. Postaje jasno da je pitanje opstanka sirijskog predsednika stvar ne toliko američke politike već američkog udovoljavanja zahtevima strateških partnera u širem regionu, prevashodno izraelskih i sudijskih. Izrael je tražio i dobio garancije RF da neće biti ugrožen Asadovim dejstvima, na sastanku Putin-Netanjahu, par dana pre sednice GS OUN. Saudijci, istinski imperijalni Arapi, čiji vladajući klan na listi korisnika ima i Al Kaidu i ISIL i koji su u tesnim vezama i sa porodicama Katara, Emirata, Omana i Kuvajta, imaju životni interes da ne uspe ni jedna sekularna arapska država (Libija, Egipat, Sirija, Irak). Oni će biti ili izolovani ili slabije podržavani od SAD u narednom periodu jer se po izveštavanju američkih medija jasno vidi da se polako menja kurs Vašingtona prema Bliskom Istoku. SAD neće od jednom napustiti ni finansiranje ni organizovanje antiasadovskih (antiruskih) snaga u regionu, već je promena njihovog kursa uslovljena nedostatkom novca - u toku je skandal oko nameštanja i menjanja stvarnih izveštaja od strane glavnog vojnog obaveštajca pri Štabu oružanih snaga SAD na BI - Amerikanci su spalili (preko privatnih bezbednosnih i vojnih kompanija pokrali) poko 500 miliona dolara za organizovanje i ubacivanje samo 3000 antiasadovskih terorista u Siriju.“
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Looks like Saudi Arabia, of all countries, has become head of the UN's human rights commission. As in the same country that's about to execute a 17-year old. How the hell did that happen, you might ask? Might be a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"-style favour from the British gov't, if this article from the Independent is correct...
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This guy McCarthy is a real loser. Third in line for the presidency? Yeah I don't think so.
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Posted: October 01 2015 at 07:33 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Looks like Saudi Arabia, of all countries, has become head of the UN's human rights commission. As in the same country that's about to execute a 17-year old. How the hell did that happen, you might ask? Might be a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"-style favour from the British gov't, if this article from the Independent is correct...
| Sums up everything wrong with the world right now. It's like appointing Tony Blair to the position of Middle East peace envoy!!! I mean seriously, who the f**k would even think of that..?? The likes of Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders have got some serious work to do, if they think they can bring about genuine change. Our thinking is all back to front (freedom is slavery/war is peace etc etc) and it's been that way for so long now that many people actually buy into the new way of thinking... A terrible and frightening time.
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Posted: October 01 2015 at 18:50 |
From your story....this is the first I've heard of this aspect. The TV news didn't report this. Moore said the gunman told people to get on the ground, then asked them
to stand up and state their religion before he started shooting.
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Posted: October 01 2015 at 19:33 |
It has been seven or eight hours since the shooting but the information is still sketchy. The death toll varies between ten and thirteen with many others wounded. The shooter was killed but his name has not been released but reports say he was twenty years old. A witness has said that the shooter asked people their religion and if they said Christian they were shot in the head. If they said they were not Christian or didn't say anything at all, they were shot in the leg. There is really nothing else being reported at this time
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Posted: October 05 2015 at 05:37 |
In the "truth is stranger than fiction" department: A 20-year old man named Joshua Goldberg turns out to have with a surprising amount of success impersonated a jihadist, a Neo-Nazi, a radical feminist and a lawsuit-happy Zionist over the internet. Right-wing columnist David Cole is rather dismayed how many more respected journalists of the right ( not just the Breitbart/ Daily Mail/ Fox News contingent!) were fooled than left-wingers were. His conclusions on why the right is easier to troll will probably strike many as implausibly sympathetic, though. Any way, it's stories like this that make me instinctively doubt more and more of what I read in the news. The question I haven't had seen anyone ask is whether Goldberg's trolling spree might have something to do with the somewhat obscure libertarian webzine The Mitrailleuse's trolling contest.
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Posted: October 05 2015 at 06:11 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
The question I haven't had seen anyone ask is whether Goldberg's trolling spree might have something to do with the somewhat obscure libertarian webzine The Mitrailleuse's trolling contest.
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The Wikipedia link doesn't work. I just instantly thought of that Trolling Contest, since Joshua Goldberg's reign of terror looks like a very extreme version of what The Mitrailleuse would want to inspire. I mean, there are some very strange people in the right-libertarian blogosphere... or at least hanging around in that overall subcultural milieu.
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Posted: October 05 2015 at 07:31 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
The Wikipedia link doesn't work. I just instantly thought of that Trolling Contest, since Joshua Goldberg's reign of terror looks like a very extreme version of what The Mitrailleuse would want to inspire. I mean, there are some very strange people in the right-libertarian blogosphere... or at least hanging around in that overall subcultural milieu.
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The link failed because of the ' in the URL, you can link to the book from the author's wiki entry: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur_Vermes. I think it is far more likely to be inspired by a book that sold 1.5 million copies than an obscure libertarian website's contest that's all.
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Posted: October 06 2015 at 15:18 |
Dean wrote:
Toaster Mantis wrote:
The Wikipedia link doesn't work. I just instantly thought of that Trolling Contest, since Joshua Goldberg's reign of terror looks like a very extreme version of what The Mitrailleuse would want to inspire. I mean, there are some very strange people in the right-libertarian blogosphere... or at least hanging around in that overall subcultural milieu.
| The link failed because of the ' in the URL, you can link to the book from the author's wiki entry: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur_Vermes. I think it is far more likely to be inspired by a book that sold 1.5 million copies than an obscure libertarian website's contest that's all. |
Reminds me of Walter Moers' satirical comic book Adolf which follows a similar premise as Er ist Wieder Da. If somewhat more low-brow in character.
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