Svetonio wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: ^Rootin'-tootin', six-gun shootin' Putin is just so high-falutin'. Russia must not be humiliated, especially not from the side of your ally - that current Ankara's [proto]fascist regime who actually are financing Isis (of course, with the tacit permission of your CIA). You can to continue your laugh at loud, but remember this.

Russia has humiliated itsef without the west's help. We are all waiting with baited breath to see whom and how they blame this shootdown on.  No Ukrainians to try to blame this on this time.   Sure they'll doctor something to make it look like the aircraft was never in Turkish airspace but the only people that will buy it, will be the only ones that is is intended TO be sold to Their own people and funkies like you Svetty. To avoid losing face to their own nation. Again, this isn't the 80's when you risked shooting a Soviet plane meant a real crisis. It speaks to just how far Russia has fallen under Putin, the lack of fear from Turkey about a possible Russian response. The Russian people don't want to hear that, Putin doesn't want them to consider that considering he banks his power base on returning Russia to what it once was.Those violations of Turkish airspace have been going on for days. This was a surprise to no one. Only that it took so long for Turkey to shoot one of those planes out of the sky. It has to protect its own borders or what good are having them.

No need to remember. We all know it. The west has a long tradition of supporting mass murderers for their own larger geo-political aims. So Turkey looked the other way with ISIS. Lots of countries did. Not the first of last. Turkey gained some bonus points in the west by bitch slapping Russia whose unilateral and counter productive entry in this mess was feared by all, and lauded by none.  No one blames them for looking the other way with ISIS. A lot of countries did, a lot severely underestimated their abiity to do what they have. That said, once they have been established as the threat they are. They are toast.  Slow to react perhaps the west is, once they do get moving they'll blow that region to hell twice over.

Then again, without committing ground troops the west is making a huge mistake  Air power has won as many wars as my feared debating skills have.

Zero...  I had hoped France might understand that but perhaps reality is no western country was going to put sufficient boots on teh ground there to fully eradicate ISIS.


Edited by micky - November 24 2015 at 19:15

Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote: micky wrote: (...) The plane was not targeting ISIS. (...) What then the Russian plane was targeting? Turkish army maybe? or some good-natured Syrian opposition group?      Go sell elsewhere those fairy tales... *yawn* Russian air strikes in Syria: Vladimir Putin's spokesperson admits targeting rebel groups that aren't Isis

TeleStrat wrote: From what I've heard the Russians have not been targeting ISIS since the airstrikes began. (...)

       

Edited by Svetonio - November 24 2015 at 19:47

Wise words by Mr Trump, but for whom? for those washed brains in the US?

Last month, Moscow intervened militarily at Assad’s invitation, launching airstrikes against what it said were targets linked to the Islamic State, but in actuality hammering the Syrian opposition forces seeking to bring down the regime. It is now considering the deployment of irregular Russian troops, or “volunteers,” to carry out ground operations. On Wednesday, Syrian forces began a ground offensive as Russian warplanes blasted targets throughout western Syria, according to the Washington Post.

best quote I read today...

there is the coalition against ISIS. Umm.. Russia wasn't in that.

but hey.. have no fear. Russia has its own coalition. Of two. Russian and Iran.. supporting Al-Assad


Edited by micky - November 24 2015 at 20:09

The Spice Must Flow.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-latest-russia-pilot-killed-by-groundfire-in-syria/ar-BBnnWfE?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U219DHP

Even US and Turkish generals admitted that it was a bad decision.

Now ''Syrian Opposition'' is mainly Islamist including ISIS.

Follix wrote: Even US and Turkish generals admitted that it was a bad decision. Now ''Syrian Opposition'' is mainly Islamist including ISIS.

Edited by Sean Trane - November 25 2015 at 02:46