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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2016 at 16:22
Originally posted by Matthew _Gill Matthew _Gill wrote:


You can't aim Female Genital Mutilation, Bacha Bazi, Tatbir, ritual slaughter. persecution of homosexuals, child grooming gangs, taxi rape epidemic, stoning of women/kids who are raped outside marriage, child brides, women being covered by the Burka, honour killings, women being refused education/driving rights, Shia/Sunni Muslim persecution, revenge acid attacks, forced/arranged marriage, hatred of Jews/Kurds/pigs/dogs/gambling/alcohol/public affection etc etc, wife beatings, polygamy, Apostasy punishments and revenge attacks on those who insult the prophet Muhammad on the West!

I agree, and the "It's our fault" philosophy gets weaker every day (not that it was strong to begin with).  Further, even if the West had never gotten involved in the Middle East, extremists would probably still be planning attacks based on religion.  We are all infidels, after all.

My very best to the people of Brussels, and to our own here at PA.   Don't give in, live your lives, and show them what you're made of.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matthew _Gill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2016 at 17:02
The left claim extremism is a recent phenomena but Jihadist attacks are notably on the up because A. there are more Islamists living in Europe and B. propaganda is more easily accessed thanks to the internet being more readily available.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A Person Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2016 at 19:28
maybe it is due to the west's systematic subversion of local governments, including CIA led coups that have toppled democratically elected officials, creating power vacuums, communities rife with segregation and horrible economic states such as massive unemployment, the fact these poor, desperate people are preyed on by people like rich Saudis who export Wahhabism, and the fact that climate change has cause disproportionate suffering in the area by inducing drought. I dunno though I just read the news.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2016 at 21:27
^ Yeah maybe, but as I alluded to, that assumes they would not be attacking if we had never subverted, toppled, vacuumed or segregated them.   But that may not be true.

As far as the drought thing, yes I believe life in the desert is no picnic and does contribute to problems.   In the words of a great fictional president on why the Middle East is so unstable; "It's very hot and there's no water" .

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@Atavachron: Who's this fictional president?

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About radical Islam, back in the 18th century, when Ahmad Shah Abdali was going to war with the Marathas, he invoked jihad to compel the Maratha ally Sujad Ad Daula to fight for him. So invoking jihad for dubious and dangerous purposes is as old as Islam itself. In the long run, Islam must be reformed and Muslims must disown its radical strains. In the short run, IS must be crushed. A few strikes on Saudi wouldn't hurt...seriously. This is war and as undesirable as war is, pretending that it's not a war and just a bunch of fundamentalist loonies will not help matters at all. The present situation could have been avoided had US establishment not believed that ISIS is just Al Qaeda Junior and nothing to worry about. They should have been crushed when they tried to establish their caliphate in Iraq. But US was so busy squabbling with Russia over Assad that they lost sight of the bigger enemy.
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Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

@Atavachron: Who's this fictional president?

Martin Sheen in West Wing .

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2016 at 23:33
Originally posted by Matthew _Gill Matthew _Gill wrote:

The left claim extremism is a recent phenomena but Jihadist attacks are notably on the up because A. there are more Islamists living in Europe and B. propaganda is more easily accessed thanks to the internet being more readily available.
There's another reason. With the oil slump, Saudi is in trouble. Hence they may likely be running out of funding for IS. So IS is using desperate tactics to attract recruits and targeting major European cities is an effective way to advertise their 'importance'.
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@Atavachron: never watched  that. Cheers.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew _Gill Matthew _Gill wrote:

The left claim extremism is a recent phenomena but Jihadist attacks are notably on the up because A. there are more Islamists living in Europe and B. propaganda is more easily accessed thanks to the internet being more readily available.

There's another reason. With the oil slump, Saudi is in trouble. Hence they may likely be running out of funding for IS. So IS is using desperate tactics to attract recruits and targeting major European cities is an effective way to advertise their 'importance'.


Maybe, although as a terrorist organisation attacking enemy targets in the way they do doesn't really equate to 'desperate' tactics. It's simply what they do.

With regard to Saudi, I agree they fund ISIS although officially private interests fund them, not the government or royal family through oil revenues, but if oil slumps too far that will obviously impact on all economic interests there, and as Saudi's biggest oil customers the US and EU are indirectly funding the terrorists attacking them. A f***ed up world, I would say.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2016 at 04:58
^^ Sure it's what a terrorist organization does but they had to sort skip steps because they first wanted to target infidels in their own religion (ie Shias and non hardline Sunnis). But the timing of the oil slump and IS getting more aggressive and taking on Europe is too much of a coincidence.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I found this an interesting read...
 
That was an interesting read. 
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I’ve just read that article and I have problems regarding it on several levels, even if it is (or perhaps, because?) it’s penned by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I have a great respect for several members of the Kennedy family, but let’s not forget: they are politicians, and therefore, by my (admittedly) own definition, highly untrustworthy.

I don’t doubt that the CIA and the US have been playing a nasty role in the Middle Eastern area for a very long time, but then my doubts about the validity of the article begin.

First, I doubt it’s possible that the power of the CIA is so all-encompassing as to be able to incite coups and rebellions in the area by the dozens at just the mere snap of the fingers, as the article seems to suggest. I mean, what almighty and omniscient power do they hold over an area that is unbelievably rich in its own right anyway? Let's not forget that during the 50's, 60's, and 70's, the timeframe of the article's main viewpoint, they were already immensely prosperous.

Secondly, I fail to follow the logic. If the CIA had to stage those myriad coups to make the area outwardly US friendly and thereby securing the US as fuel trade partners, then surely they can’t have been US friendly to begin with. Yet, if that then is the natural attitude towards the US in the Middle East, how can the author say that US hostility was caused by CIA meddling? By his own account, it was like that anyway. It’s false logic. Or does he mean they became even more anti-American?

Third, and most importantly: where is the evidence? Where is the proof, where are the sources and the reliable witnesses to these statements? Paid off? Assassinated? Executed? Living in witness protection somewhere? It’s all allegations.

I know that immoral and despicable measures were taken by the CIA to ensure that the US would be supplied with oil, and if the author had made that point, I could have overlooked my other doubts, but as he uses his false logic to put the blame for the Middle East’s current attitude solely and squarely at the CIA’s door, that is just plain wrong, which he unwittingly goes on to prove in his own article, starting pretty much at the very beginning of it.

I think I see what the author is trying to do here: make the reader see another angle or shake false impressions conveyed by the US media, which is very admirable, but at the same time he seems to overstep the mark, thereby placing his efforts in a highly dubious light.

It's a shame. The article could have been insightful.

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Many of the points made in that article are very valid and what many of us outside USA have also felt for a long time (so to that extent, it wasn't a surprise).  But I see it all as a fuel for the fire rather than the inception of the fire itself.  US did not create radical Islam; it did, willingly or unwillingly, abet its rise over the years.  The idea of arming fundamentalist enemies of Russia to defeat communism has been increasingly shown to be a bad one.  
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In lighter news, life imitates art down under.
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Gary Shandling died today.   Best to his family and friends.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2016 at 19:29
awesome... I am all about fashion. Men's and especially women's...

let's see what you have there....
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Found here some news about fashion trends for men in 2016 Approve Interesting hairstyles, look beautiful but I'm a bit cinfused about the name of this style Geek
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