News of the day |
Post Reply | Page <1 320321322323324 446> |
Author | ||||
CPicard
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10837 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
My bad, I have mistaken the Wales for the Falkland islands. |
||||
Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Easy mistake, they both have sheep.
|
||||
What?
|
||||
Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Yeah, it wasn't really about money in terms of wages and working conditions, IIRC. It was about dismantling socialism by taking down the unions. Edited by Blacksword - April 09 2013 at 09:58 |
||||
Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
|
||||
Bosh66
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 23 2009 Location: Bolton, Lancs Status: Offline Points: 528 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Would never wish anyone's demise and I'm glad she appears to have died peacefully with her loved ones around her. She was a woman of some strong conviction who had a view of "society" and the conviction to make her vision reality. That said, politically she was horrible, and many of the ills we face these days from deindustrialisation, breakdown of community, banking crises, housing crises, income disparity and long-term unemployment all have their origins in the Thatcher era.
She famously declared that society did not exist, just a collective of individuals and their families. Her view appeared to be that it was down to everyone to look after themselves. The poor would benefit by allowing the rich to grow richer (trickle down) and policy was all around rolling back the state, to the detriment of those less able to cope. There was certainly a view around the "deserving poor" that accompanied this. For all her talk about giving power back to the individuals, local control of services was undermined where councils / municipalities were forced to offer their previously in-house services to tender and to take the lowest price for the services to be outsourced (a quality clause was only allowed by later governments). Industry was sold wholesale to the benefit of political supporters in the name of popular capitalism. Her hatred of the unions (who even Labour to be fair were having problems accomodating) led to her closing down coal mines across the country where it was cheaper (and socially more sensible) to support them as going concerns. This hatred was even manifested in her insistence that no new industry was to be allowed to locate to some of the pit villages of the North East and some of these small towns even today suffer devastating social problems going back to those days. She was a populist who championed such policies as allowing people to buy the council owned social housing they lived in at hugely discounted prices, which certainly empowered a lot of folks. Her refusal to allow councils to replace these didn't help. Those in need of shelter were often not in a position to take advantage of new builds, and private landlords had to pick up some of the demand (not all landlords were known to be ethical and many found themselves living again in overpriced slums).
So I sympathise with her family, respect the fact that what she did she believed was right, and won't miss her one iota!
|
||||
Vibrationbaby
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I know that. But it was more a fit of nostalgia I had during a dream. Canadians were on top of the world in advanced aerospace technology back in the late 50s. After the Arrow programme was axed in Feb '59 our engineers and technicians went on to work on the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs and literally saved the Gemini program when it was in deep sh*t. Guys like Fred Matthews and Jim Chamberlin were among the best brains NASA ever had. Had our technology been allowed to develop we would be frontrunners by light years today in many high tech fields. Even today the Arrow outperforms hardware that is still in service. It's Iroquois engines were rated at 25,000 lbs of thrust identical to engines that power aircraft like the F-15 and Mig 31. Too bad it was cancelled just days before it was installed in place of the American J75s. Even with the J75s it was exceeding expectations and it performed flawlessly on it's initial flight thanks to prior advanced testing methods and technology. The only thing on test pilot Jan Zurakowski's ''snag'' list was the positioning of a couple of electrical switches and the absence of a clock. On it's third flight it went supersonic and was routinely flown at supersonic speeds during subsequent tests. It's cancellation was purely political. It was performing above all expectations and meeting all guarantees to the Government. As Sir Sydney Camm, designer of the Hawker Huricaine, Tempest Typhoon, Hunter and involvement with the Harrier once said : " All modern aircraft have four dimensions, span, length,wiidth and politics." The F-35 is in deep piles of sh*t these days and the American Government is on the verge of cancelling it. Just read the updates in Fight International or Aviation Week The only place it will perform well in is the local airshow. |
||||
TGM: Orb
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
|
||||
Padraic
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31165 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Don't be young, but don't get old? Is there a magic age I need to stay at?
|
||||
Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
|
||||
What?
|
||||
Jim Garten
Special Collaborator Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
OK here's a little prediction for you.
In about 7/8 days this thread's main subject will be the public order disturbances around St.Paul's Cathedral in London. I also predict many of these masks will be seen: Just a thought... |
||||
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
||||
Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I think I'll stay away from the TV that day. I'm not sure what will irritate me more, the gushing endless tributes or sight of tw&ts in Guy Fawkes masks. |
||||
Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
|
||||
Bosh66
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 23 2009 Location: Bolton, Lancs Status: Offline Points: 528 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Just a thought...[/QUOTE] I think I'll stay away from the TV that day. I'm not sure what will irritate me more, the gushing endless tributes or sight of tw&ts in Guy Fawkes masks.[/QUOTE] Sums my position up perfectly too!
|
||||
Jim Garten
Special Collaborator Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
At least we won't get Elton John singing 'Candle In The Wind' ...please, noooo... |
||||
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
||||
Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Maybe Depeche Mode could do a performance of 'Everything counts' The grabbing hands, grab all they can, all for themselves, after all...it's a competetive world.. |
||||
Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
|
||||
Jim Garten
Special Collaborator Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
I'm sure Billy Bragg wouldn't object to playing.
Interesting to note, incidentally, that BB's come under a lot of flak for refusing to celebrate Thatcher's death - his post on FB re the news effectively said it's not a time for celebration, it's a time to remember the past & to continue the fight - a decent, sober reaction from one of her harshest critics in the music world. Mt respect for him has increased even more |
||||
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
||||
Stool Man
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2007 Location: Anti-Cool (anag Status: Offline Points: 2689 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
"Goodbye awful **** **** **** **** **** ******* ****" (etc) |
||||
rotten hound of the burnie crew
|
||||
Gerinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5080 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Let's have a Marillion reunion with Fish singing Margaret.
|
||||
PROGMAN
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: February 03 2004 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 2661 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
Where I lived many miner's striked and my family were part of the strike, I am from a mining town and won't be missed around here, Thacther
Edited by PROGMAN - April 10 2013 at 12:01 |
||||
CYMRU AM BYTH
|
||||
markosherrera
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 01 2006 Location: World Status: Offline Points: 3252 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
The death, at the age of 83, of Margaret Thatcher on April 8 has generated a host of disputes in England and throughout the world. For the working class, and also for the rest of the society of the United Kingdom, her name brings the worst memories and is not for less, countless workers in the mining of coal in this country not only lost their jobs but it also with them disappeared the strength of their unions, their villages and their community. Memory, however, they and their descendants at all was blank. It was enough that the news of the death of the cause of their misery and misfortunes appeared in all media in the country so it has outbreaked until a popular celebration of the fact, something that contradicts in many the traditional British phlegm. Ken Loach, is a television director and film director from the United Kingdom, known for his style of social realism and Socialist themes tied to his Trotskyist activism. His commentary for the final departure of the Iron Lady is therefore of extreme importance. Ken Loach says goodbye to Margaret Thatcher Margaret Thatcher was the most divisive and destructive Prime Minister of modern times. Mass Unemployment, factory closures, communities destroyed – this is her legacy. She was a fighter and her enemy was the British working class. Her victories were aided by the politically corrupt leaders of the Labour Party and of many Trades Unions. It is because of policies begun by her that we are in this mess today. Other prime ministers have followed her path, notably Tony Blair. She was the organ grinder, he was the monkey. Remember she called Mandela a terrorist and took tea with the torturer and murderer Pinochet. How should we honour her? Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted. (michaelrosenblog.blogspot.com) --------------- o --------------- While Loach makes so unquestionable epitaph, David Hopper´s, secretary general of the general secretary of the Durham Miners' Association, is crude as to what as working class, exploited and until it has been reduced to a minimum, it ends up resulting in the recovery of the memory after those terrible years of 1984-1985 of the general strike of coal miners. Is what for Hopper, the date of the death of Baroness Thatcher was a "great day" for the miners and explains the why. “It looks like one of the best birthdays I have ever had”, after a 70 years birthday on the same day. "There's no sympathy from me for what she did to our community. She destroyed our community, our villages and our people”. "For the union this could not come soon enough and I'm pleased that I have outlived her”. "It's a great day for all the miners, I imagine we will have a counter demonstration when they have her funeral”. "Our children have got no jobs and the community is full of problems. There's no work and no money and it's very sad the legacy she has left behind”. "She absolutely hated working people and I have got very bitter memories of what she did. She turned all the nation against us and the violence that was meted out on us was terrible”. "I would say to those people who want to mourn her that they're lucky she did not treat them like she treated us”. (Yahoo! News UK) --------------- o --------------- That the day of her death was organized so spontaneously in Windrush Square, Brixton, London, a street party celebrating the death of the Thatcher, the only thing that shows is the ambivalent social classes in struggle. As the city of London, the bourgeoisie and the British Crown cry her, the British proletariat celebrates it. There countless samples that banners and posters were there present with content that in other times would have been censored: “Rejoice, Thatcher is dead”; “f**k Thatcher, worm food now”; “Good riddance”; “Ding, dong, the witch is dead”; “RIP old woman but DEATH to your legacy”; “You snatched my milk & our hope” about the suppression of milk delivery to scholarship; “The bitch is dead”; “! Rejoice ¡ ! Rejoice ¡”. The sequence of photos are taken from the web site www.brixtonbuzz.com |
||||
Hi progmaniacs of all the world
|
||||
The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
^Just like Venezuelans in Miami dancing and drinking celebrating Chavez' death.
|
||||
|
||||
akamaisondufromage
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|||
^^ 'Suppression of milk delivery to scholarship' lol
|
||||
Help me I'm falling!
|
||||
Post Reply | Page <1 320321322323324 446> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |