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Poll Question: Which do you think is best.
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I think the choices are somewhat wrong since we are comparing two political systems ( Anarchism , well I don't know if it is a system at all) and Dictatorship against  Communism which is an economical system.
 
No point in comparing them in my view , I can't get how people choose a dictatorship over Comunism because if we are refering to just the economical part of comunism , it can't be as bad as a dictatorship in which you can't vote speak , think or even be...
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Originally posted by mr.cub mr.cub wrote:

Sorry. Not enough love in this world for anarchy to work; people simply lack the self control. I guess I choose dictatorship because its the lesser of two evils...Confused


Exactly. Keep in mind people, when I say I choose a dictatorship over anarchy, and communism over dictatorship...I DO NOT like any of those options.

Fact of the matter is, we need a government. MAYBE one day in the future we wont, (though I dont think humans will reach that point ever). A dictatorship is terrible though, as is true communism.

As I said, Social Democracy is the best way to go!
Best balance of freedom personally and economically!

Of course no system is perfect.


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Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:

Communism in reality is like a much worse version of a dictatorship.  Of these I'd rather live in a dictatorship by a mile.

By the way, did you mean to put non-democratic in the title because not capitalist doesnt necessarily mean not a democracy
 
Only someone that hasn't experienced such terror can say something like that. I agree on the second sentence though.
 
Why do I get the feel that some people think that non liberalism  isautomatically bad?? I mean , you are putting three bad systems as an alternative. Capitalism wont last forever , it's been with us in it's modern form for just 125 years which is nothing in terms of history. Sure , it's been building up more or less since the fall of the Western Roman Empire but other alternatives will be found. However , a catasthrophe has to happen for it to dissapear.
I guess there is no turning back from capitalism , it was just natural for it to rule our lives due to the constant technical innovation society mades ( and greed of course)
 


You are right that I haven't lived in one, I said that more to emphasize the fact that the other two would be much more horrible even.  Also, when I read it I was kind of thinking of a benevolent dictator and not some of the current dictators that exist today
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Kleptocracy: Sometimes cleptocracy, occasionally kleptarchy, is a term applied to a government that extends the personal wealth and political power of government officials and the ruling class (collectively, kleptocrats) at the expense of the population, sometimes without even the pretense of honest service. The term derives from the Greek root klepto (theft).

Oh wait, that's how capitalism is usually practiced. TongueLOL


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 14 2009 at 21:43
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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COMMUNISM = STALIN HURR DURR HURR DURR
 
Voting for anarchist communism.
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Obviosly, anarchism... which would degenerate into a rule of the strong over the weak..... and the former would eventually abuse the latter....
 
.... wait, that's capitalism...
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Hey, back off the hatred of capitalism. Damn internet commies!
Originally posted by Leningrad Leningrad wrote:

Voting for anarchist communism.
How does that even work?

Edited by Henry Plainview - May 16 2009 at 00:54
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Hey, back off the hatred of capitalism, you commie b*****ds.
Originally posted by Leningrad Leningrad wrote:

Voting for anarchist communism.
How does that even work?

Alexander Berkman
What is Communist Anarchism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

I used to believe in that once.
In middle school and early high school.
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Originally posted by Leningrad Leningrad wrote:

COMMUNISM = STALIN HURR DURR HURR DURR
 
Voting for anarchist communism.


Stalin is where it's at.
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Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:


Alexander Berkman
What is Communist Anarchism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

I used to believe in that once.
In middle school and early high school.
 
Until I grew up and became a textbook conservative.
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I'm not saying I support communism or anything, but the rationality behind pointing towards Stalin and the USSR to declare how poor it is pretty flawed.  Thats much more a fascist country trying to slightly emulate communism.
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True communism is one of the best ideas ever - you know, the whole everyone is equal and all that - but there's just one little flaw: It doesn't work.
People are driven forward by money. Sure, a little love too, but mostly just money. Take that away and you get a good-for-nothing and lazy-ass society that does nothing but leech on the state, and from there everything goes downhill and it becomes CCCP.

But in theory, communism is the best.
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With most -isms there's the theory and then there's the practice.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by Werneflo Werneflo wrote:

True communism is one of the best ideas ever - you know, the whole everyone is equal and all that - but there's just one little flaw: It doesn't work.
People are driven forward by money. Sure, a little love too, but mostly just money. Take that away and you get a good-for-nothing and lazy-ass society that does nothing but leech on the state, and from there everything goes downhill and it becomes CCCP.

But in theory, communism is the best.
 
Couldn't say it any better myself. Economic equality will never be achieved so the focus needs to be on social equality and rights; that way opportunities to rise economically are feasible. In a communist state such as the Soviet Union, those rights weren't present and thus the stagnant economy-which is seen in other communist nations as well (Vietnam only began to revitalize itself after adopting capitalist policies)

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anarchy.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

With most -isms there's the theory and then there's the practice.
 
Yep - that's about right. Sell the theory to the plebians and once they've bought it, shaft 'em in any way you can - profiteering personally at the same time too of course.
 
Politics, IMO, is intrinsically and inherently dishonestly practiced by the vast majority of politicians.
 
I'm no Anarchist - ie I don't want my house trashed by marauding bands of anarchic EmokidsWink - Communism is the ultimate example of great theory and crappy practice and, as for Dictatorship , wellAngryAngryAngry - history has proved how horrifying that can be - especially as the demise of the dictator and his cronies approacheth.
 
I actually think the poll's quite thought-provoking (hence the post), but don't ask me to vote - whichever one I picked would make me the turkey voting for Christmas.
 
And if anyone wants to flame me, my ideal political situation would be SOCIALISM PRACTISED WITH HONESTY AND INTEGRITY BY THE GOVERNMENT.
 
So it's a shame that we're half way there in the UK then...
It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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I hope your being ironic Ermm

I'm not very cultured but it seems like listing the only alternatives to capitalism as Communism, dictatorship etc. is something akin to begging the question as to capitalism supposed superiority.


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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2009 at 22:28
Originally posted by Leningrad Leningrad wrote:

Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:


Alexander Berkman
What is Communist Anarchism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

I used to believe in that once.
In middle school and early high school.
 
Until I grew up and became a textbook conservative.
Anarcho communism is even sillier than anarchy or communism. 

And I think Lowtax doesn't like it when you steal his gifs.
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Points: 7053 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2009 at 04:27
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

I hope your being ironic Ermm
 
Sure I am - but only in the first and last sentences.


Edited by el dingo - May 19 2009 at 04:28
It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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El Dingo, not your post LOL

I mean't the poll questions
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