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    Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:18
Come now. I hated the growls at first. Found them unlistenable much like you. Hell, I even made a thread on another forum with this exact title! But eventually...the growls grew on me. Sometimes, they get a little too much, but other times, the contrast they provide is awesome. Plus, Mikael has overall the best voice I've ever heard, both singing and death metal.

One lsiten to "Bleak" should change your mind about the vocals.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 20:54
Expand your mind.  Death metal is not so bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 18:30

Has anyone seen Opeth live?  I've seen Opeth live twice, and they're great.  Mikael goes from growling to clean singing with ease.  What also took me by surprise at their show was that there was little to no moshing at all.  You would think at a death metal show, people would be going crazy.  Everyone was in ah to see these guys perform.  Like what was said before...I think it's easier to like Opeth coming from a death metal background.  I used to be really into black metal, so listening to Opeth's vocals was no problem.  Now, I pretty much ditched black metal and listen to progressive rock.  From time to time I'll go back to my old black metal albums..but it just doesn't compare to prog rock...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 16:36
Originally posted by Geee Geee wrote:

Hi Guys and Girls

I seem to have a problem with Opeth.  The first album that I ever heard of theirs was Damnation - Simply awesome prog album.  I didn't know who they were before this album.  Since I liked this album I made it a point that I get hold of the whole discography.  What a shock!  Almost all of their albums are Death Metal.  My dilemma is how can a band that releases such marvelous album like Damnation, release Death Metal Music?

Cheers

PS Having said that I still have to say that even their Death Metal releases, musically are very technical, and I don't know how this will sound, and 'progressive'. But the vocals!

Listen and adapt. I did! It may not work for you, but it might

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 16:31
i guess im lucky- I love all Opeth!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2005 at 11:08
there is an MP3 for "closure" on this site, that song is off of damnation and is one of my favorites.  before i heard this CD, i didnt like extreme vocals much (remember, this CD doesnt have any) but after hearing it i had to have more opeth, so i got the rest of their catolog and warmed up to the growling.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2005 at 10:35
Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Does Opeth do anything progressive, that's what I want to know before I buy anything.

yes.

Uh, okay, thanks...

get damnation and go from there.  there are a lot of floydian styles and influences, as well as porcupine tree.  so theres the prog, and there are no harsh vocals on that CD.

Alright, I'll give it a try.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 12:14
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Does Opeth do anything progressive, that's what I want to know before I buy anything.

yes.

Uh, okay, thanks...

get damnation and go from there.  there are a lot of floydian styles and influences, as well as porcupine tree.  so theres the prog, and there are no harsh vocals on that CD.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 11:58
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

I didn't hear Roger Waters 'showing off' much with his bass playing, anyway


Gilmour and his guitar, however...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 11:48
Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Does Opeth do anything progressive, that's what I want to know before I buy anything.

yes.

Uh, okay, thanks...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 11:08

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Does Opeth do anything progressive, that's what I want to know before I buy anything.

yes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 10:47
Originally posted by Jim Prog Wizard Jim Prog Wizard wrote:

You can't call a band "progless" because the vocalist has a particular vocal style which could be considered an acquired taste.  Opeth are a great prog band.  True enough, I myself was a bit put off the first time I heard their heavier material, but I've come to realise that Mike's "growling" is actually extremely well done, and can appreciate it as much as his superb "clean" singing.  Mind you, it probably helps having been into metal before I was into prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 06:11
I didn't hear Roger Waters 'showing off' much with his bass playing, anyway
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 05:31
Originally posted by Geee Geee wrote:

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:


Growls are an important part in many sorts of metal MUSIC.

Exactly. Growling is important for metal music. Here we are talking about progressive music.  I am not saying that metal cannot be progressive - Look at Dream Theater for example.  But progressive music is all about the musicians 'showing off' their ability with their instruments.  Opeth are doing precisely that and even Mikael is doing it - but certainly not when he growls.  IMO Opeth are such a great band that they do not need growling to show how different they are from others.  I am not trying to annoy anyone here, just stating how good they are and IMO they are spoiling it with the growls

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That is not true. Progressive music is not about the musicians 'showing off' their ability, but the structure of music. Remember that.

And why is Opeth prog, read in their biography on this site

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=1122.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 01:03
Actually,

Opeth were a "death metal" band long before they released Damnation. Damnation was almost a "break" for fans that weren't into the growls, IMO.

I have a special place in my ear for Damnation, but musically Deliverance impressed me far more.

I'd say Blackwater Park beats them both down though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 00:59
Originally posted by Geee Geee wrote:

Hi Guys and Girls

I seem to have a problem with Opeth.  The first album that I ever heard of theirs was Damnation - Simply awesome prog album.  I didn't know who they were before this album.  Since I liked this album I made it a point that I get hold of the whole discography.  What a shock!  Almost all of their albums are Death Metal.  My dilemma is how can a band that releases such marvelous album like Damnation, release Death Metal Music?

Cheers

PS Having said that I still have to say that even their Death Metal releases, musically are very technical, and I don't know how this will sound, and 'progressive'. But the vocals!

It will take some time to get used to, but afterwards you'll appreciate the harsher vocals.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 12:26
Originally posted by FloydWright FloydWright wrote:

Originally posted by Abbath Abbath wrote:

Let's understand that Orchid was Opeth trying to differentiate
themselves from the scene and in so they were understandably all over
the place. But it's really then that I find they were at their most
pure form. Just a bunch of guys that were in as much awe of what they
were doing as the listener is, be it in a good way or a bad way. It's
really the band at their most adventurous.


It's not that the album hasn't got its good points...it really does. But I do tend to be a stickler for flow and sound quality, so I can't give the same ratings that I do to some of their later works.


I suppose that in the end, which Opeth era is prefered depends entirely on the listener.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 11:47
Originally posted by Abbath Abbath wrote:

Let's understand that Orchid was Opeth trying to differentiate
themselves from the scene and in so they were understandably all over
the place. But it's really then that I find they were at their most
pure form. Just a bunch of guys that were in as much awe of what they
were doing as the listener is, be it in a good way or a bad way. It's
really the band at their most adventurous.


It's not that the album hasn't got its good points...it really does. But I do tend to be a stickler for flow and sound quality, so I can't give the same ratings that I do to some of their later works.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 10:28

I like Opeth's lyrics. As for the growling, you get used to it after a while.

My Arms, Your Hearse, Still Life, and Damnation are my favorites.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 05:14
Originally posted by lalala lalala wrote:

theres nothing wrong with that but its just cornball to make an album about that, esp. a rock album. i dont want to hear akerfeldt encouraging his faith anymore than i expect people to get on a soapbox either. i respect that he believes in god and has good morals but he shouldnt preach. "this is forgiveness, so I know once I repent I seal the lid." *gag*


plus, like i said, mikael just cant write lyrics. and that album is bad at it too... face of melinda in particular.


and i still stand by my statement that i think even those who can tolerate death vocals cant by any means actually ENJOY them. listen to serenity painted death, that chorus... white face, haggard grin or whateva it says... yeesh.



Hmm.. I haven't really interpreted the lyrics myself, but judging from lyrics from Åkerfeldts previous band, Bloodbath, I doubt he's very religious. (They have a song named Bastard son of God, for example)
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