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iscariot
Forum Newbie Joined: May 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: May 18 2005 at 18:09 | |||
right, that was the intention as i understand it. although i often find myself more drawn to damnation and usually my momentary interests are secularized either to heavy or soft music, so i dont think ive actually ever really sat down with both, one after another. i have found however that damnation (in particular tracks like 'to rid the disease') fit quite nicely into a playlist with sigur ros and other melancholy music. a beer or two doesnt hurt milk the emotion either. |
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Abbath
Forum Groupie Joined: January 19 2005 Status: Offline Points: 91 |
Posted: May 18 2005 at 18:18 | |||
You may not believe it, but I can tell you that with the straightest face possible. When you listen to a fair amount of metal, those 3 albums are pretty formulaic. Their older material is so much more original. Differant strokes. |
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WillieThePimp
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 02 2005 Location: Bryan, Texas Status: Offline Points: 421 |
Posted: May 18 2005 at 18:18 | |||
Somewhat off-topic alert! OH NOZ
Harvest has something captivating in it. I disliked the how the lyrics "stay with me a while" were sung, but the first (pardon my lack of musical theory) 30 seconds contain some of the most beautiful guitar work (especially from Lindgren). |
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You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket
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iscariot
Forum Newbie Joined: May 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
Posted: May 18 2005 at 18:30 | |||
im by no means an expert in any genre, but i wouldnt call it formulaic. i would agree with you if you mean to say that riffs are often repeated, seemingly, more than is necessary, i often end up finding this repetition engrossing and totally acceptable given the natural groove of the music. there is after all so much more at stake in music than just melody, difficulty, rhythm... etc. the combination of all of these things makes it not formulaic, but controlled. if you mean to say that the music is somehow rehashed from their other work, or other artists, id beg to differ, but im afraid that without example on that matter id have to call a stalemate at opinion; as you say, different strokes. |
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FloydWright
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 20 2005 Status: Offline Points: 369 |
Posted: May 18 2005 at 23:28 | |||
Ironically, my two favorite albums are just about as opposite in production and style as you can get: MAYH and Damnation.
I actually think MAYH had some of his best lyrics, perhaps because he wrote them in sentence form in Swedish, then translated. Dunno, but that may be why. And the whole concept is just a powerful idea. As for Orchid...I try not to rag on people's English skills, but that WAS a problem. Especially on "Apostle in Triumph". The end of that song...OUCH OUCH OUCH! |
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Abbath
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 01:48 | |||
Let's understand that Orchid was Opeth trying to differentiate themselves from the scene and in so they were understandably all over the place. But it's really then that I find they were at their most pure form. Just a bunch of guys that were in as much awe of what they were doing as the listener is, be it in a good way or a bad way. It's really the band at their most adventurous. |
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erlenst
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 05:14 | |||
Hmm.. I haven't really interpreted the lyrics myself, but judging from lyrics from Åkerfeldts previous band, Bloodbath, I doubt he's very religious. (They have a song named Bastard son of God, for example) |
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Starwind
Forum Newbie Joined: May 19 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
Posted: May 19 2005 at 10:28 | |||
I like Opeth's lyrics. As for the growling, you get used to it after a while. My Arms, Your Hearse, Still Life, and Damnation are my favorites. |
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FloydWright
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 20 2005 Status: Offline Points: 369 |
Posted: May 19 2005 at 11:47 | |||
It's not that the album hasn't got its good points...it really does. But I do tend to be a stickler for flow and sound quality, so I can't give the same ratings that I do to some of their later works. |
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Abbath
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 12:26 | |||
I suppose that in the end, which Opeth era is prefered depends entirely on the listener. |
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Possessed
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 10 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 430 |
Posted: June 06 2005 at 00:59 | |||
It will take some time to get used to, but afterwards you'll appreciate the harsher vocals. |
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SheriffJB
Forum Newbie Joined: May 29 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 39 |
Posted: June 06 2005 at 01:03 | |||
Actually,
Opeth were a "death metal" band long before they released Damnation. Damnation was almost a "break" for fans that weren't into the growls, IMO. I have a special place in my ear for Damnation, but musically Deliverance impressed me far more. I'd say Blackwater Park beats them both down though. |
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bogdan.
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 05:31 | |||
That is not true. Progressive music is not about the musicians 'showing off' their ability, but the structure of music. Remember that. And why is Opeth prog, read in their biography on this site http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=1122. |
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GATHER ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying: And this same flower that smiles to-day To-morrow will be dying. Carpe Diem! |
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goose
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 06:11 | |||
I didn't hear Roger Waters 'showing off' much with his bass playing, anyway
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DavidInsabella
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 10:47 | |||
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colin007
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 11:08 | |||
yes. |
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DavidInsabella
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 11:48 | |||
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FloydWright
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 11:58 | |||
Gilmour and his guitar, however... |
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colin007
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 12:14 | |||
get damnation and go from there. there are a lot of floydian styles and influences, as well as porcupine tree. so theres the prog, and there are no harsh vocals on that CD. |
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DavidInsabella
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Posted: June 07 2005 at 10:35 | |||
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