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    Posted: July 04 2009 at 07:24
Originally posted by KingCrimson250







Album Info here :  http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4419



As I said in the thread, please try to keep discussion intelligent and respectful. By intelligent I mean avoiding comments like "LOL this album suxks" or "This album is a masterpiece and clearly anyone who feels otherwise lacks intelligence and is not a true prog fan." You can have whatever opinion you like so long as you are willing to explain your reasoning. By respectful I mean no personal attacks. Things might get heated, things might get passionate, and that's good. We love our music, we are passionate. Just try to remember to say "I disagree" instead of "You're wrong, you arrogant, inbred, zeuhl-loving jerk!"


Also, this thread doesn't have to be discussing your opinion of the album. It could be anything El Patio related, whether that's anecdotes you've heard that have to do with the making/recording/touring of the album, or discussing the possible meanings of the lyrics.




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Edited by Snow Dog - July 06 2009 at 10:40
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2009 at 10:28
I kind of new this one would be a failure. Not even the proposer has said anything.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2009 at 10:29
I'd love to participate, but I don't know it and thus this post is the limit of my participation.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ivan_Melgar_M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2009 at 10:48
I don'yt know why people ignore it, even when I like "Hijos del Agobio" more, "El Patio" is a fabulous album that combines delicate Flamenco with frantic Prog Rock with keyboards in the vein of Keith Emerson.
 
I know it sounds used but I'll say it anyway...A perfect mmasterpiece from start to end.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2009 at 10:50
I really must try to get hold of it. Sounds good to me.
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Start with HIJOS DEL AGOBIO
 
Is fantastic
 
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5 stars I never been a fan of Spanish music except for the incredible acoustic guitar, but the vocals (specially when close to Cante Hondo or Deep Singing) have too hard accent for my taste (something that probably English speakers won't notice), so each time I had the chance to get a TRIANA album used to let it pass. But about a month ago while checking the Symphonic band list from Prog Archives found TRIANA and bought "Hijos del Agobio", more for curiosity than for real conviction, and thanks God I did it because their work is outstanding

Jesus de la Rosa (who died in on October 13, 1983 on a car accident) had a very nice voice, and his accent is moderate in comparison to what I expected, the band has an absolutely unique approach to their music, their essence is clearly Spanish and Gypsy with a Moorish touch but is softened in most of the cases by the excellent use of Mellotron and synths giving a Symphonic atmosphere that lead to their wrong inclusion in this sub-genre instead of Folk Prog where they can be found today.

After the economic disaster of their first and excellent album "El Patio" (Between April and December of 1975 they sold only 75 copies) and after the death of the dictator Francisco Franco (A well known enemy of free expression) TRIANA released "Hijos del Agobio" with the advantage of cultural opening and reaction of thepeople against 40 years of oppression, this album sold much better but not enough to make them leave the status of cult band among university students and young people hungry for the new smell of liberty.

What songs impressed me more? Most of the album so lets give an overview.

My introduction to TRIANA was "Hijos del Agobio", the self titled track starts with a beautiful mixture of lush keyboards and a subtle acoustic guitar playing the background, incredibly enhanced by the peculiar voice and accent of Jesús de La Rosa, by moments it seems the band is taking the path of a classical symphonic sound but sudden explosions of Spanish soul make us remember we're in front of one of the most representative bands from this country, the vocals are extremely emotive and blend with magic the expectation, hope and fear for a new unknown era.

The second track is the legendary "Rumor" which became the first TRIANA single, this time the ethnic Flamenco sound is more evident as if they were opening their true identity to the rest of the world, still we can easily find the Symphonic sound, but the true nature of the band is there for all of us to listen.

"Sentimientos de Amor" is a beautiful ballad more oriented towards the classical guitar sound than to the free gypsy spirit, this time Tele Palacios with his Moog creates the effect of a second acoustic guitar to add a touch of sublimated Prog Rock, again a masterpiece, with all the flavor of Spain and the brilliance of a good Symphonic band.

Probably the only song that I really don't like too much is "Recuerdos de Triana", based only in percussion, some confusing vocals and shouts by Miguel Angel Iglesias (Atmospheric voices and shouts of "microphonic" relief) plus some electronic sounds a la Pink Floyd.

!Ya Está Bien¡ is an interesting blues variation and "Necesito" is a track sung by the guitarist Eduardo Rodriguez, none of them spectacular, but keep the interest of the listener, just enough to mention them but not to make a detailled comment.

Now it's time for one of the strongest tracks "Sr Troncozo", the whole spirit of musicians as Segovia will always remain alive in this kind of songs, emotional, heartbreaking and purely ethnic, the acoustic guitar almost makes me cry. The vocals are not so close to Cante Hondo replacing this approach for a more conventional style enhanced by palmas (hand clapping), simply delightful.

"Del Crepúsculo Lento Nacerá el Rocío" closes the album with a bombastic ending that blends excellent guitar solos and spectacular synth, the perfect track to finish a great album, a bit short, but as we, Spanish speakers say: It's better to leave the audience the taste of the honey in the lips.

Honestly I didn't expected so much of "Hijos del Agobio" because for what I had heard,. their debut album also known as "El Patio" is supposedly much better, but if this is the example of a "not as good as" release, I can't wait to listen the rest of the TRIANA discography. Five solid stars.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Moogtron III Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 12:44
The boxset Se De Un Lugar could also be interesting for those who want to try out Triana. Two cd's with many songs from the early albums. And a dvd with live stuff. They are a quite passionate band. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rosenbach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 14:27
I've always liked flamenco music, in fact the first concert i even went was a Paco de Lucia's Sextet in 1984 wich i remember deeply as a great concert. I borrowed this album from a friend and i liked it a lot, Triana were (are) the most know prog group from Spain among progheads in Mexico and it was easy to get their albums.

Then i listened their other albums from which i recommend Hijos del agobio, Sombra y Luz (maybe the more experimental album they did) and Llego el dia. Only if you like these you could try Un encuentro (1980) and Triana (1981) which i consider their weakest works; the live album En Directo is bootleg quality and i believe they were not a great band playing live. Thanks to Triana's influence many flamenco rock groups came to light. Sadly the keyboard player and composer Jesus de la Rosa died in 1983 and the original group ceased to exist.

Some years ago the drummer Tele Palacios (who also died recently) reformed the band with young musicians and they made tours and albums under the same name, something that IMHO he shouldn't have done.

BTW: If you're interested in getting this album, i recommend you the digipak remaster edition from Fonomusic, it really sound much better than the previous ones.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 22:59
I already got Hijos del Agobio and found it very good. I hope I can get El Patio soon, I really want to hear that one.
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Originally posted by rushfan4

I'd love to participate, but I don't know it and thus this post is the limit of my participation.

I think that is what is holding this thread back, although in the next thread, on what looks like The Final Cut, I will be happy to discuss.

I would like to get a hold of this album though, looks good.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 22:36
I just got these album and have been listening to it. It is indeed very good and I'm very pleased. I'm glad I at last found something really good sung in spanish.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote memowakeman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 23:23
El Patio is an excellent album, it really has excellent tracks that define Triana's sound. Highly recommendable.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Trianium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2009 at 03:39
Triana was the most original band that come from Spain in the seventies. I love the way they mix flamenco (with influence of Paco de Lucía) and Progressive Rock (King Crimson and Pink Floyd). ''El Patio'' really is a Masterpiece.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nightfly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2009 at 06:38
I've been very interested to check out Triana for some time and have heard a few bits here and there which i enjoyed. I really need to buy a cd by them but they seem pretty hard to find, unless you're willing to pay silly prices.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2009 at 21:11
I got it at Amazon. Oh, and in Spain they seem to be rather easy to find...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote shockedjazz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2010 at 16:08
Kidding?Tongue Possibly one of the best albums ive heard......This is emotion!!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote shockedjazz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2010 at 16:15
Is there any forum tread on spanish prog?
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There used to be several on creating a new genre called Flamenco or Andaluz Prog, but already been rejected several times.
 
I love El Patio, but still after years keep liking Hijos del Agobio much more.
 
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The music is enjoyable enough from a technical and aesthetic perspective, what with the power of the musical influences of southern Spain. Unfortunately, the vocals in Prog Andaluz are atrocious. The nasal cod-Arabic delivery featured in bands like Triana and Mezquita certainly has character, but its unbearable to my ears. Too tortured and provincial. Emotional? Yeah, that's one way of looking at it...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2010 at 22:12
Oh well, I do like Triana's vocals anyway. Not too annoying for me, and he's got a powerful voice. But I can understand that many people wouldn't like them.
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