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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2009 at 18:51
It figures! I just upgraded ITCOTCK onto CD, and now I have to do it all over again!!!Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 05:47
Why is Steven Wilson involved and what is his connection with In the Court Of? Wasn't he a member of Japan?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 06:38
Steven Wilson wasn't a member of Japan - Richard Barbieri, the keyboardist was though.

Robert Fripp appeared on FOTBP and Gavin Harrison just toured with King Crimson here in the U.S. so there are some connections there.  Steven Wilson is a master at producing records so he seems to be the logical choice for these, especially for the 5.1 discs.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 08:00
I just can't help feeling that Greg Lake would have been a better choice as he has relevant production experience and was a key part of the album. If Robert Fripp is concerned about giving priority to technical elements he could do worse than revisit Larks' Tongues in Aspic and adjust the volume levels. I'm showing my ignorance here, but by 5.1 do you mean quadraphonic? Do many people own these systems?    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 16:05

Fripp has also posted a download of Disengage with Phil Collins and John Wetton prior to Exposure recording...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 16:12
5.1 is home theater- right and left front, right and left rear, and center. The ".1" refers to a subwoofer. Discrete signals are sent to each channel, which give a sense of immersion unlike anything you can get with two-channel stereo. Yes, a lot of people have these setups.

My problem is that most home theater systems (mine included) aren't designed for music. The speakers are made more for sound effects and speech.

Nah, give me a regular CD, a pair of seriously capable speakers and a good amp without all the fancy staging effects.  I just don't enjoy music in 5.1 the way I do in hifi.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 16:14
5.1 is Dolby surround sound.  Wilson is a great choice being that PT has obviously studied Crimson as a point of departure.  Lake might have been a good choice, but some of his production is not as strong.  My first Larks Tongues CD (not a DGM release) was horrible sound.  I sold it and kept the vinyl.  The last Larks Tongues CD that I had had infinitely better sound.  These new surround sound should knock the paint off your walls.  Fripp has such precision, he probably wouldn't stand anything less.  Choosing Lizard as one of the early releases is an intriguing choice, since it is a great LP but not the most popular (kinda the black sheep of the family).  I am looking forward to the new releases. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 19:47
Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

I just wish the man(Fripp) would just break down and do a 40th anniversary tour. I know the guy is not young anymore(neither is Tony Levin) but 20-30 dates over two months iin the USA is not too much. I'd even let him play 5 to 10 dates in the U.K and 5 to 10 in Europe.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2009 at 13:04
Do you have to have a dedicated amplifier for 5.1 surround? Sorry, but my first record player was mono, my television was black and white and we listened to the BBC Light programme.     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2009 at 15:05
Just because your first television was black and white and your first record player was mono doesn't mean that you continue to watch and listen that way.

The 5.1 recordings that I have heard are fantastic.  Modernize and enjoy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2009 at 15:32
Yeah, I guess you have 1 album in every format: LP, K7, CD, 5.1, CD+, Blu Ray... Every format.
But only 1 album.
Anyway, if I can join the sheeps, I would take the 5.1 too for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2009 at 03:17
Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

Just because your first television was black and white and your first record player was mono doesn't mean that you continue to watch and listen that way.
 
It does if you don't have pots of money and do have bills to pay. New formats are often ways of making money for big companies. Repeat: do you need a dedicated amplifier for 5.1?   


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:07
Originally posted by sampo sampo wrote:

Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Sorry, chaps, but I'm not going to be fooled by this. I'm perfectly happy with Robert Fripp's "definitive" 30th anniversary mixes. They sound as clear as anyone could hope for.

When you've forked out for these new bits of plastic, will you start saving for the even more spectacular 50th anniversary editions? Oh, come on!

I don't know about you but to me, at least, 5.1 sound opens a whole new dimension for my listening experience, given that you have proper equipment.
 
 
Provided you have a real 5.0 system, yes.
 
You'll not hear anything worthy in your normal home cinema system (wxhich happens to be a 4.1 anyway). andthe 5.1 is costing £$£€£$*$€€.€$
 
 
I'm with Jos here, just stick with the 30th, especially it you've got them in cardboard sleeves.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2009 at 21:16
Why stick with the 30th... forget 5.1, hi-res stereo ftw :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2009 at 16:28

I have owned ITCOTCK on many different formats - including cassette - because the album is classic.  Last year I upgraded and bought the DGM Japan Mini LP sleeve to bring back a bit of nostalgia while I held the Mini-LP. And plus awesome sound!

LET'S GET SMALL!
 
So, I feel comfortable stopping there and I'll spend my hard earned money on exploring newer music.
 
But, this in itself is a problem. Much of the newer music has bits 'n pieces of glorious stuff, but it doesn't stand the test of time because the fertile hotbead is really populated by only a few genuises. Steve Wilson is one of them. But, for his song-writing, not his production. I'm not convinced on this one. 
 
Maybe it really just gets down to Fripp's bank account. As with all artists, you need money. So this is his modus-operandi to generate that.  If you want to help, buy the newer versions, if you don't, that's cool too.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2009 at 01:50
Are there any news on release dates or plans for the next albums? I alredy think it's odd they release both the first and the last albums of the 70's period, without even mentioning the ones in the middle.

I think Red and ITCOTCK are great, but my personal favorites are Lark's and Islands. I'm looking foward to the new versions of these.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2009 at 12:12
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Steven-Wilson-On-Remixing-King-Crimson-20442.aspx

Is this old news? 

AUG 10.09
STEVEN WILSON ON RE-MIXING KING CRIMSON
In addition to his work on a solo album and the upcoming new album from Porcupine Tree The Incident, in stores Spetember 14th, Steven Wilson has also been working on 5.1 mixes of King Crimson's back catalogue (as mentioned in this previous interview).  We asked Steven about his work on the albums and below you can read about what he calls, "a real labor of love"...


The reworking of King Crimson's back catalogue was a real labour of love for me. These are albums I grew up listening to, and their influence on my teenage self still forms a large part of my musical DNA. So to be able to actually go inside the music and hear how it was all put together was both an honour and an instruction. What made it even more enlightening was to have Robert Fripp in the room while I was doing it, recounting (mostly unrepeatable!) anecdotes about the recording process and the people who played on the records. Some of these memories still made it painful for him to hear the music, and often at the end of a session both of us left my small studio drained - he from reliving the music and the struggles involved in creating it, and me from wanting to do the legacy justice.


The job at hand was to create 5.1 surround sound mixes, make new stereo mixes where appropriate, and to mix any out-takes and unreleased material I found on the reels.


The first stage was to have the tapes transferred to digital files by a professional tape archiving company, then to recreate the stereo mixes as closely as possible. Being so familiar with the originals, I aimed to be as faithful as I could, so if you hear deviation from the original stereo mix it's probably because Robert didn't like it the way it was and took the opportunity to change it. The tapes were in various degrees of (dis)organization (and as I write some tapes are still completely missing for In the Wake of Poseidon, and Starless and Bible Black). The 80s albums were carefully recorded, compiled, and annotated, but for many of the earlier albums there were many reels of tracking sessions and alternate takes, so the trick was to find the version used, or which parts of which versions were used. Sometimes a track would be made up of small parts of different takes edited together, as with the title track of Lark’s Tongues In Aspic, which was recorded in about 10 short sections, with multiple takes of each.


For personal reasons one of the very first albums I wanted to revamp was Lizard, which is the one album in the catalogue that tends to divide the fans between those that love it and those that find it almost unlistenable. I’m one of those that adore it, and could make a pretty good case for it being one of the most adventurous rock albums ever made. But I also knew it could work better in 5.1, as it’s almost as if there is too much information bursting out of the tracks to be contained in mere stereo. This is not the case in surround sound, where everything has the space to breathe, and the genius of Lizard’s progressive avant-garde jazz rock experiment finally blossoms in all its glorious folly.


Although originally not part of the plan it become apparent that some of the albums could also be made to sound sonically better in stereo as a result of that tape transfer and remix too, and Lizard was definitely one of those. The debut album In the Court of the Crimson King also benefited from us being able to go back to the original multitrack slave reels – in those days the band were using 8 track recording, and so every time the 8 channels were filled up (say with drums, bass and guitars) it was necessary to bounce it down to a one or two tracks of a second tape in order to keep overdubbing the multiple mellotrons, or vocals. Sometimes this would happen 2 or 3 times before a track was ready to mix, so the instruments recorded first had by then become second or third generation copies, with all the problems that brings (tape hiss, reduced frequency range...etc..). We were able to go back to the very first session tracking tapes and synchronise them with the overdub reels, so for the first time in the new mixes of the In the Court every instrument heard is first generation.


We also found several fascinating out-takes and alternate versions which had never been mixed down before – most of these will appear as bonus tracks on the new editions, which will all be CD/DVD combinations (the DVDs will contain any available archive video forage from the appropriate era, as well as the 5.1 mixes and high resolution stereo).


What impressed me (among many things) about the way these albums were made was the economy of overdubbing - these days I'm used to mixing records where there might be guitars tracked 4 or 5 times, drums split out over 20 channels...etc... But often with King Crimson albums you are hearing what is essentially a live band in the studio, with little or no overdubbing. And yet even with only a guitar, bass, drums line up they still sounded huge. It’s a recording art that has been partly lost in the age of computer recording, where there is no limit to the amount of times that you can layer instruments to make them sound heavier. But sometimes it’s heavier without all the overdubbing – check out the new power trio mix of the title track of Red if you don’t believe me!





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2009 at 14:32
I'll buy ItCotCK, Red, and Larks Tounge at least. I'm fairly excited to hear these, and the Beatles remasters as well. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2009 at 12:20
This might be a good reason to buy ITCOTCK. I'm really curious about the 4CD/DVDA box set.
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