Between The Buried And Me Vs. Protest The Hero

Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: Dim wrote: Protest the hero. I only have Fortress and Colors. Fortress is a three star album, Colors a two IMO.   Both are really talented, I just have trouble getting into any kind of music with a "core" in the end. LOL You f**king listen to post metal and then say you have trouble getting into core music. Lol, you of all people should know how much influence post metal draws from hardcore/post hardcore. Without hardcore/post hardcore, a sh*t ton of post metal bands wouldn't even exist mang.

I think it's hard to compare the two as their sounds are both completely different. But for me it's BTBAM. Even though I still adore PTH and seeing them next month, so it's all good

BTBAM and PTH are way past the cookie cutter stage and well into their own game, and dare I say these guys are at the top of their game and what they do.
Tommy's vocals are no longer metalcore-ish scream. Going through my iTunes list and comparing the vocal style of Tommy's death growls to that of "pure" death metal bands reveals he's voice has lost that core edge. f**k, listening to Arch Enemy against BTBAM made Angela Gassow sound like a screamer in comparison and Arch Enemy is pretty much as melodic death as it comes, proof how much more depth he's added to his vocal tone as a death metal vocalist.
Yeah, the band never lost their metalcore roots, but the members are fans of Pantera and death metal as well and on Colors it shows, with the increasingly less core element of their sound.
And anyway, about the only breakdowns I can think of on Colors were on Prequel to the Sequel and White Walls and the band doesn't put them in there for the sake of it, if you read the lyrics they serve as a proper climactic point in the songs.

PTH never lost their post hardcore roots, you can still tell that's where they came from (and the same can be said of TMV and their post hardcore lineage from ATDI, no matter how progressive TMV got you can still hear it in their sound), but f**k, in the 5 years between a A Calculated Use of Sound to Fortress the band made a phenomenal improvement in their musicianship.
In fact I've seen few bands make such an improvement, from playing fairly standard post hardcore to being able to play extremely technical/virtuosic progressive metal/metalcore is such an incredible feat I think.
To me, when I hear the word cookie cutter metalcore, I think the latest Killswitch Engage stuff and those kind bands were the feel from some of the previous albums to the newer ones barely changed.

PTH however went the opposite route and made their music less accessible and challenging over time.
Cookie-cutter and going the way of less commercial sounding each album just isn't the same thing, period. It's a band that's pushed against the tide of typical "mallcore".

Again, as Chris said, people don't have to like the core sound, but cookie cutter these 2 bands ain't, that's for sure.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: GoldenSpiral wrote: The annoying part of the bands in question comes from the fact that at their base they're really just modern Hot Topic metalcore--and by this I mean the cookie cutter fashionable bands that use chug-chug breakdowns every 10 seconds and melodic chorus sections.  When does this happen ever with PtH? And what a handful of times with BtBaM?

I can't stand PTH's singer. I love BTBAM. Did you guys hear their new album preview? 

I can tell that PTH have a lot of talent, but BTBAM is the one I keep coming back to.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: GoldenSpiral wrote: The annoying part of the bands in question comes from the fact that at their base they're really just modern Hot Topic metalcore--and by this I mean the cookie cutter fashionable bands that use chug-chug breakdowns every 10 seconds and melodic chorus sections.  When does this happen ever with PtH? And what a handful of times with BtBaM?

I'm old and have to work to get into this. I'm listening to Colors right now and there are moments that are pure genius (mostly the prog) but the metal core moments don't make me want to get up and thrash around as much as PtH does. Which to me is the only point of that music. Or maybe to get out my anger. I don't listen to PtH that much because I don't feel the need to smash things all that often. I wish BTBaM would ditch the pure cookie monster for some kind of hybrid ala Cynic and think they're capable of making a progmetal masterpiece. I've been putting off the review but maybe I'll do that today.

@topic creator....this isn't really a poll so I need to move it.

Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: Dim wrote: Protest the hero. I only have Fortress and Colors. Fortress is a three star album, Colors a two IMO.   Both are really talented, I just have trouble getting into any kind of music with a "core" in the end. LOL You f**king listen to post metal and then say you have trouble getting into core music. Lol, you of all people should know how much influence post metal draws from hardcore/post hardcore. Without hardcore/post hardcore, a sh*t ton of post metal bands wouldn't even exist mang.

Hey it's all metal guys

Hardcore isn't our enemy. After all it spawned a hell of a lot of genres like Grindcore that I presume we all thoroughly enjoy

I say we declare war on the haters, not ourselves.