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An epidemic, I wouldn't use that term, but ratings abuse and rating manipulation is a recurrent problem, and is often one that needs cleaning up. Monitoring them and cleaning those up requires a lot of time and work, and a lot never do get cleaned up. I would give ratings only a zero weighting, but the weighting system we have ain't bad. Because of the weighting system we have, the manipulative ratings without reviews don't generally have a big effect. It has with some new albums where hordes of people trying multiple accounts have come here to prop up an album and at the same time bring down a competitor.   It's not nearly so big a problem when it comes to older albums which have been reviewed and rated by many individuals, and I haven't seen much apparent abuse when it comes to older relative obscurities either with very few ratings/ reviews.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Thank you, I deleted them. At least with Kansas I only had to delete six as opposed to about sixty with Marillion. Not that it matters since such ratings abuse is all too common no matter what the style of music (with bigger and more mainstream acts it's likely to happen more), but most of those raters were also big fans of Neo-Prog based on their ratings (for instance, THIS one ). Both Kansas and Marillion share AOR/ melodic rock qualities as well as symphonic rock qualities.   A fan of Marillion is more likely to appreciate Kansas than say Magma I would posit (I mention Magma specifically because of all the one star reviews in my deleted Kansas rater example), and are more likely to also enjoy, say, Rush, Saga or Spock's Beard than Art Zoyd, Soft Machine or Heldon.

Personally I'd just delete his account if that's the easiest way to get rid of his ratings, He's made a grand total of 2 posts in 5 years and they were to complain about someone elses ratings!! That stuff is just nonsense.
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^ nonsense indeed. off with their accounts!
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Hi, guys

Just by accident (touch screen, you see) I happened to rate the Kansas future/new album when passing by the page, so please delete the rating when you have the chance.

No one can be sure, of course, but  at least some of the inappropriate ratings may have the accidental origin like happened to me this time (or am I the only dummy whom this ever happened ? Clown )
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Hi, guys

Just by accident (touch screen, you see) I happened to rate the Kansas future/new album when passing by the page, so please delete the rating when you have the chance.

No one can be sure, of course, but  at least some of the inappropriate ratings may have the accidental origin like happened to me this time (or am I the only dummy whom this ever happened ? Clown )




I just wanted to add to this. It happens on mobile phones. For some reason there are times when i'm scrolling through the PA website (as well as others) and happened to be logged in and while scrolling i accidently swipe over the star selection and rate an album unknowingly. So before we deem all bad ratings as miscreants, this should be thoroughly understood. I do understand that giving a hundred albums a one star rating is no accident and should be punished by death
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Thoughts on this?

Several profiles, all created on the 8th October, all 1 star-ing several of the same groups:

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=40114
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=59172
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=59173
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=59175
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=59176

Four of them created one after another as well...
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^ All gone. Thanks.
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Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

^ All gone. Thanks.
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Awesome, guys! A member of one of the bands affected by it was pretty upset, so thank you so much.
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Wowwww, do we have so much visibility around the web ?
It certainly makes me happy we all struggle to keep a high level of credibility, good work ! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Wowwww, do we have so much visibility around the web ?
It certainly makes me happy we all struggle to keep a high level of credibility, good work ! Thumbs Up



oh yeah... back in the day we, the senior collabs, were like rock stars.  Band members wanted to meet us, prog fans would speak in hushed tones of reverence when meeting us. 

'oh.. you are the guy who spearheaded the AR split.. and created RPI...  let me buy you a drink... and here.. have my wife for a night'

oh the good old days of the site.... forever gone.. but never forgotten LOL
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^ah, Micky the Rock Star, you're welcome as a member of The Allman Brothers Revival Band Smile


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Looks like we have a Buckethead hater on this site. I keep seeing that he rates every album i review with 1 star. Normally i don't care about such trivial things but when i look at his list of ratings, EVERY BH album is a 1 star (there is a single one with 2 stars). BH has such a wide range of styles no one could give every album the same rating if they actually listened. Is this ratings abuse? Just curious what you think.
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Puppy, I get the feeling that he hasn't listened to them all, but the ones that he HAS heard left a very bad impression on him that he instantly assumes they're all rubbish?
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Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Puppy, I get the feeling that he hasn't listened to them all, but the ones that he HAS heard left a very bad impression on him that he instantly assumes they're all rubbish?

That's why i'm writing reviews for them. Because some of them deserve one star and some don't. I hardly want to incite the ratings police. If he hates them all so be it but i find it hard to believe that someone can carpet bomb any artist so uniformly with a single rating. My guess is he doesn't even listen Sleepy
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A collection of serial 1-starrers that I found. Many of the accounts are no longer active, but I think it may be worthwhile to "clean up the mess", so to speak. Lots of entire discographies/subgenres given 1 star ratings, with no accompanying reviews as justification.

This guy has some sort of vendetta against eclectic prog:


This guy has it out for many subgenres, including RPI, symphonic, zeuhl, all of of the metal subs, Canterbury, etc.


This guy seems to hate everything except for the output of a few select artists:


This one's real rich; everything's either a "masterpiece of prog" or "completionists only" as far as he's concerned:


This guy dislikes most stuff, and was only active for about a month:


Another case of not in the top 20; give it 1 star! Also, note that the account was only active for one day:


Only active for a few weeks, and yet another one of those "1 star every album by artists I don't like" fellows:


Another highly polarized rater. Certain genres can do no wrong, other ones are unworthy:
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^ Will discuss in AZ too. Thanks Pupp and Kevin. 
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