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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2009 at 21:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2009 at 22:16
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

I never cheer, because I think it's incredibly annoying and cliche how bands handle encores now.  I haven't been to a concert in my life where there wasn't an assumed encore, bands do it regardless now it seems.  It's pretty obvious when bands are going to encore, since they walk off the stage without playing some of their most famous songs, surpisingly coming back with them.

Like Pink Floyd, David Gilmour, and Roger Waters not playing Comfortably Numb during their "oficial" setlist. They almost always leave it for the encore. However, as far as I've seen about Dream Theater in DVD's and the one time I've seen them live (and what I've read about this tours setlist), it seems they usually leave out some of their most popular songs, like Take me Under and Metropolis. And they don't play them in the encore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2009 at 22:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2009 at 22:37
The real encore is dead because of the long tradition of planned encores. I've been to a few gigs where a band came out for a second encore and it did seem like crowd enthusiasm had something to do with it. I've also been to gigs where there was an encore at all the shows listed online, and a weak crowd got no encore. But for the most part it's very pre-programmed.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 02:27
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

I now recall that bit at the end of School of Rock where the band gets called for a legitimate encore and I wonder if smaller gigs still get those kinds of encores. It would be great to be an unknown band and get called back like that.
I remember a couple of second encores at Overhead shows, one in Paris and one in Helsinki. I don't know if they were used to the thunderous kind of applause abroad, so the Paris second encore could well have been planned (they played In the Court of the Crimson King, I've never heard them play that anywhere else) but the one about a year ago in Helsinki was clearly spontaneous. That was a brilliant show, the band and the audience were all having a great time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 05:32
The stupid thing about encores is the way bands comes up on stage again. The look bored like "yeah here we go again, let's play our second set". They never look overwhelmed or something, or there is no song material left.. it's so fake. Some bands come back with an unplugged song: how do you mean planned?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 14:27
^I don't think it's stupid or fake, it's just different than decades ago. Things change, encores are an everyday thing for headliners, they know it and act accordingly. Stupid and fake would be pretending to look overwhelmed or something.

Though I've never seen a band coming to play an encore and looking bored.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 03:01
In France, people cheer for encores on every concert i've seen. Including Mastodon where the band just left off after playing one hour with horrible sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 10:55
Originally posted by kingfriso kingfriso wrote:

The stupid thing about encores is the way bands comes up on stage again. The look bored like "yeah here we go again, let's play our second set". They never look overwhelmed or something, or there is no song material left.. it's so fake. Some bands come back with an unplugged song: how do you mean planned?
It's really unfortunate for musicians on the road when they have to play the same songs over and over. Then the road travel for bands, like Deep Purple and many others that received encores every gig it seemed. After a while those in the band who crack from the road have a blank stare of bordem. The unfortunate part is: They wrote the material and the fans love it and the musicians have to except that even in the darkest moment of the grinding road travel.

Whether musicians choose to endulge in drugs or remain straight through the whole tour, the road will catch up to them either in performance or socialism. An encore is a pre-planned thing in this sense: The more encores you recieve, the better of a presentation you will have with the record executives.If Talent scouts or A&R people from the staff witness mass encores they will report this kind of positive activity back to record company headquarters. It's a plus for business profit and it's a definite indication that the record companies profits will grow. So the band is under pressure with this business concept and of course all the other garbage that goes with the territory. Sometimes people in the band have disagreements over this issue and it just becomes a snowball effect.
 
On the other hand encores can be quite enjoyable. Like at a Frank Zappa concert where the encore fell naturally in place.    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2009 at 10:10
Encores don't have to be songs that were played during the concerts. If the band has a large repertoire and still has "popular" songs to showcase, they generally play something else during the encore (generally a classic...).
Still, the best encores I've seen are simply the natural ones: small unknown band plays an incredible set, and the people just want to see more. So when people ask for an encore, the musicians just look at each other, and decide quickly on what to do, generally ending the show with improvisation.
I HATE totally planned encores where the end of the concert is simply delayed by one or two songs.
We're not babies, if you've planned to play for 2 hours, don't stop at 1h45 and wait for the encore, especially if you know you're getting one...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2009 at 12:22
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Almost everytime I went to a concert, there were encores. Also, my band was always cheered for an encore. Overhere, if audience really likes a band, they will shout, chant, whistle, applaud and what not just to get a band back.

I remember a Led Zeppelin reunion tour in Zagreb, people were shouting for 45 minutes, refusing to go out, even after roadies started unplugging the equipment. But LZ never came back on stage. Later we heard some dumbass was pointing the laser pointer on Jimmy Page while playing, he got scared thinking it might be a gun, and refused to perform an encore.


What LZ reunion tour? Do you mean the Page-Plant tour from around 96-97? From what I know there was never a LZ reunion tour.

Regarding the topic, I go mostly to club concerts and it's a lot easier there to understand how everything works. You can easily walk to the stage before the concert or during the intermission (if there is one) and look on the stage floor to see the papers with the set list placed near each musician. Usually there's one encore planned and if you get a good look you'll even be able to read the tracks to be played in the encore. If the band has loyal fans then sometimes there are even two encores written on the set list. I've come to know very easily how the concert is going to end. If the band members just leave their instruments and walk out then there's going to be an encore and sometimes even more encores. If after the band walks out there is music coming from the audio system and/or the personnel is starting the clear the stage then there is no chance for another encore.

The maximum number of encore I've had in a concert is 3. Some of them were not planned (I'm talking about the second and the third), but not many.

I've always thought it was in the 70s when there weren't many encores, because the shows were long and exhausting. Led Zeppelin often played between three and four hours, which is unimaginable today. Why call for a second encore after such an exhausting show? (for both band and public).
Also, since the 80s the shows became business and with business came standardization. Now a show last from 1 hour & 1/2 + 15-20 minutes of encore up to 1 hour & 45 minutes + 15-20 minutes of encore. Now, due to business standardization, if you ask a band manager how much does the band cost, he'll email you the prices for 30 minutes, 45 minutes, 1 hour, 1& 1/2 hours, 2 hours. What you pay is what you get...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2009 at 12:50
Originally posted by ~Rael~ ~Rael~ wrote:

I go to a good amount of concerts, almost all of which are with my father, who is in his 50s. These concerts are all kinds, ranging from jazz, to 70s prog (Yes, Kansas), and pretty heavy metal (Opeth, Mudvayne, Lamb of God), and almost every concert he comments on how people just don't cheer for an encores anymore. That Mars Volta concert was the latest example. After the band walked off, people cheered for a little bit, but then people quit. My dad always gets angry, wanting people to cheer and stay. It never happens. He always reminesces about the old days, when people would stay and cheer for twenty, maybe even thirty minutes until the band would come back out. Now it never happens.

What do you guys think? Does the encore exist anywhere anymore?

Dang, I'm turning into an old fart as I don't get out to concerts much any more.  Back in the day though it seemed like the encore was obligatory and yes we cheered, hooted, flicked our butane lighters, and clapped until our hands were sore.  Then were treated to one or two encores.  I was pretty good at the hooting and clapping loud. Big smile  But also speaking as an old fart we get old and tired and need to get home so we can go to sleep and get back to work.  Nice to see your Dad still has the enthusiasm.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2009 at 05:42
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

..... In my own experience, encores have always been the rule, rather than the exception. 


Same here. Never been to a shown where there were not an Encore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2009 at 09:00
Was allways the rule, and i dont remember 1 single concert without the band comming back for a song or 2, if there was a time when encores was an exception, its more than 25 years ago, at least where im from.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2009 at 21:20
I hate encores, I find the false and stupid
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