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daslaf
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Topic: I have a question about Gryphon Posted: October 02 2009 at 09:19 |
Hi there, I've been listening to Gryphon a lot lately, Midnight Mushrumps and Red Queen to Gryphon Three to be more specific, great records, totally like what I've listen to but I can't help making myself the next question: Why the hell this is listed as Prog Rock, if there's no Rock at all? I mean the rock attempts here are too shy, why not call Gryphon just mmm... neo classical / folk / renaissance music, etc... I don't know if I'm understood, I don't have a huge prog background like some people here, I started to listen to prog rock just 2 years ago, so I hope you guys get my point Thanks in advanced
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 09:44 |
They're classified as prog folk. Progressive Rock has broadened into progressive music since the term was originally coined. There are plenty of bands here on PA that could not be classified as "rock" even in the loosest definition of the word. I hope that clears some things up.
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 09:52 |
yeah totally, that makes everything clearer :P
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 09:57 |
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daslaf
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 10:11 |
yeah just close it
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 10:31 |
If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 10:46 |
Boy, if Gryphon's not prog for you, you should definitly stay way from Amazing Blondel.
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 10:54 |
Rottenhat wrote:
If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)
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No..he asked why is it Prog Rock!
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 11:04 |
TheCaptain wrote:
They're classified as prog folk. Progressive Rock has broadened into progressive music since the term was originally coined. There are plenty of bands here on PA that could not be classified as "rock" even in the loosest definition of the word. I hope that clears some things up. |
I have 3 titles from Gryphon but never read reviews or put things into perspective regarding how they should be classified. I never thought about this and it's interesting to hear. thanks for your effort.
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 11:42 |
I have all of Gryphon's studio albums, and there's certainly sufficient rock for me to easily put it under the Progressive Rock category (I like all of their albums, by the way). The first album is the least rock. Treason is very much a rock album.
Since I first heard Gryphon long ago, I've always considered it to be part of Prog (i.e. Progressive Rock). And I don't think there need be much rock in Prog (though it should have that influence). It is a Prog Folk band, and that category has its own parameters. A big part of Prog is fusing rock, using rock elements, and combining it with other genres. Gryphon absolutely does that to my ears. I see Prog in part as progressing away from rock conventions. What rather surprises me is that Prog has not commonly moved farther way from rock conventions (while keeping rock elements).
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 11:59 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Rottenhat wrote:
If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)
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No..he asked why is it Prog Rock! |
Drums? Or must it be 4/4 to be rock? Oh, I soon kill myself because of these definitions of 'what's prog' :) Listen to the music and enjoy if for f***s sake!
Edited by Rottenhat - October 02 2009 at 12:10
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 12:15 |
Rottenhat wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Rottenhat wrote:
If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)
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No..he asked why is it Prog Rock! |
Drums? Or must it be 4/4 to be rock? Oh, I soon kill myself because of these definitions of 'what's prog' :) Listen to the music and enjoy if for f***s sake!
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Grow up.
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 13:19 |
It doesn't need to "rock out loud" to be rock.
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 13:28 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Rottenhat wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Rottenhat wrote:
If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)
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No..he asked why is it Prog Rock! |
Drums? Or must it be 4/4 to be rock? Oh, I soon kill myself because of these definitions of 'what's prog' :) Listen to the music and enjoy if for f***s sake!
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Grow up. |
Hmm. I think my discussion on this topic ended by that comment.
Edited by Rottenhat - October 02 2009 at 13:28
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 14:55 |
Rottenhat wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Rottenhat wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Rottenhat wrote:
If Gryphon (Red Queen...) isn't prog, I don't know what's prog :)
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No..he asked why is it Prog Rock! |
Drums? Or must it be 4/4 to be rock? Oh, I soon kill myself because of these definitions of 'what's prog' :) Listen to the music and enjoy if for f***s sake!
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Grow up. |
Hmm. I think my discussion on this topic ended by that comment.
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That's good news.
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 18:34 |
:)
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 18:38 |
Rottenhat wrote:
:)
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Hey..no offence meant!
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 18:44 |
No probs, Snow Dog :)
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 18:50 |
Rottenhat wrote:
No probs, Snow Dog :)
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Thank you, I was a bit rude earlier. Don't know what gets into me sometimes.
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daslaf
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Posted: October 02 2009 at 21:14 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
It doesn't need to "rock out loud" to be rock.
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yah of course, totally agree with you... but I was just wandering why Gryphon was clasified as a Prog Rock band, if there's no rock at all, based on what I've listened to.
Logan wrote:
Since
I first heard Gryphon long ago, I've always considered it to be part of
Prog (i.e. Progressive Rock). And I don't think there need be much
rock in Prog (though it should have that influence). It is a Prog Folk
band, and that category has its own parameters. A big part of Prog is
fusing rock, using rock elements, and combining it with other genres.
Gryphon absolutely does that to my ears. I see Prog in part as
progressing away from rock conventions. What rather surprises me is
that Prog has not commonly moved farther way from rock conventions
(while keeping rock elements).
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That's quite an interesting point of view man, but since rock is a kinda new genre (compared with other prog rock influences as classical music) I can't really see how to go farther rock-wise, if you know what I mean.
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But now my branches suffer And my leaves don't bear the glow They did so long ago
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