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    Posted: October 21 2009 at 20:08
Originally posted by The Block

Thats a good friend.
 
Yeah. The problem is that SFAM is, according to him, the only album he has ever heard in its entirety, although he says he loves it.
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That's not so good.LOL
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I've got one friend that's a big fan of Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Rush, Porcupine Tree, and Dream Theater. But he's also into a lot more mainstream stuff. It really confuses me because although he loves the stuff I listed, he never seems very interested in other prog I introduce him to.

Then I've got another that's a fan of Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater. Generally, though, he sticks to a couple of his favorite songs by each of them.

One of my apartment mates (is that the proper term?) is obsessed with Muse and Radiohead and I've been trying to ease him into a couple of bands. He asked me a while ago to copy a couple of albums over to his computer since he left his external hard drive back home. He started to look through my music library and I ended up giving him some Cynic, Oceansize, The Pineapple Thief, Porcupine Tree, and a couple others.

Then, most recently, I left The Incident in a friend's car. This guy listens to nothing but Sum 41 and Yellowcard as far as I know, so it surprised me when he brought up PT a couple days later and apparently he loves "that really long song, the one that's like 15 minutes".



That's about it, though. I've been hoping for so long to meet someone with my level of interest in prog music. There's gotta be someone out there... 
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One thing that bothers me - while we're on the subject of other peoples' reaction to prog music.

What is it with people that complain prog all sounds the same? I've been going through a big Marillion phase lately. I play it all the time and I know for a fact one of the guys I live with (the DT and PT fan) hears it all the time. But sometime's he'll walk into my room when I've got something completely different on and he always says something like "who's this? Marillion?" Then I told him about Transatlantic a couple of times and showed him some of their stuff (he's a Portnoy fan and is somewhat familiar with Nearl Morse). The next day I was playing Riverside and he asked me if it was Transatlantic.

Last time I went home I brought a Marillion DVD along with me and my mom started complaining that it all sounded "homogeneous, or a little monotonous". 

Most examples I have off the top of my head involve Marillion - maybe that says something about them instead of prog in general - but I still don't get it. 

It seems like if someone hears a couple layers of keyboards, vocals that catch them off-guard, or songs that go through a lot of changes, they just shut off their ears and regard it as noise. It's pretty frustrating.
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I went to the conclusion that most of my friends were dicks. That's why I'm all alone now, listening to metal, free jazz and progressive rock in my flat.
I'm noticing your civilization right now just has this overall feel of a guy who's trying to get fired of his job.
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^ How about your brother?
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The only semi-prog band I can play without my friends degrading it is Led Zeppelin
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro

^ How about your brother?


Before he leaves tonight (to join his friends), he played some electro-disco at a rather loud volume. Usually, I wait for him to go outside to be able to listen to MY music.
A few days ago, he described Einstürzende Neubauten as "the most useless band".
Nevertheless, everyone in my family thinks that I have strange and unsual musical tastes. But I already managed to make my sister to get fond of the Cardiacs.
I'm noticing your civilization right now just has this overall feel of a guy who's trying to get fired of his job.
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Originally posted by npoczynek

One thing that bothers me - while we're on the subject of other peoples' reaction to prog music.

What is it with people that complain prog all sounds the same? I've been going through a big Marillion phase lately. I play it all the time and I know for a fact one of the guys I live with (the DT and PT fan) hears it all the time. But sometime's he'll walk into my room when I've got something completely different on and he always says something like "who's this? Marillion?" Then I told him about Transatlantic a couple of times and showed him some of their stuff (he's a Portnoy fan and is somewhat familiar with Nearl Morse). The next day I was playing Riverside and he asked me if it was Transatlantic.

Last time I went home I brought a Marillion DVD along with me and my mom started complaining that it all sounded "homogeneous, or a little monotonous". 

Most examples I have off the top of my head involve Marillion - maybe that says something about them instead of prog in general - but I still don't get it. 

It seems like if someone hears a couple layers of keyboards, vocals that catch them off-guard, or songs that go through a lot of changes, they just shut off their ears and regard it as noise. It's pretty frustrating.
Well, Transatlantic does have Pete Trewavas in it. Also, I can see someone who has only hard Transatlantic and Riverside once mistaking the two. So it's really not someone "hears a couple layers of keyboards, vocals that catch them off-guard, or songs that go through a lot of changes, they just shut off their ears and regard it as noise", it's just that the music sounds similar.
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Originally posted by npoczynek

One thing that bothers me - while we're on the subject of other peoples' reaction to prog music.

What is it with people that complain prog all sounds the same? I've been going through a big Marillion phase lately. I play it all the time and I know for a fact one of the guys I live with (the DT and PT fan) hears it all the time. But sometime's he'll walk into my room when I've got something completely different on and he always says something like "who's this? Marillion?" Then I told him about Transatlantic a couple of times and showed him some of their stuff (he's a Portnoy fan and is somewhat familiar with Nearl Morse). The next day I was playing Riverside and he asked me if it was Transatlantic.

Last time I went home I brought a Marillion DVD along with me and my mom started complaining that it all sounded "homogeneous, or a little monotonous". 

Most examples I have off the top of my head involve Marillion - maybe that says something about them instead of prog in general - but I still don't get it. 

It seems like if someone hears a couple layers of keyboards, vocals that catch them off-guard, or songs that go through a lot of changes, they just shut off their ears and regard it as noise. It's pretty frustrating.


One problem I find with almost everyone is that they don't really listen to the music. The vast majority of people just listen to the beat and the tune, and if it sounds catchy  they label it as a good song. Prog has to be listened to, to be understood, so you most focus on composition, arrangements, orchestration, etc. That seems to be too much for the average person, so they perceive as "it's all the same" mainly meaning "it's too much for me to comprehend it", or something similar.
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Does anyone here dance to prog? Not trying to be funny- I think prog is, with the odd rare exception, undanceable, stressing its anti-social side.
 
 
The only exception is when playing "A Collection of Great Dance Songs" by Pink Floyd LOL 
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Originally posted by The Truth

The only semi-prog band I can play without my friends degrading it is Led Zeppelin

That does seem to be the one band that everbdy nows and likes even if all they listen to is pop.
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Originally posted by tdfloyd

Originally posted by Textbook

Does anyone here dance to prog? Not trying to be funny- I think prog is, with the odd rare exception, undanceable, stressing its anti-social side.
 
 
The only exception is when playing "A Collection of Great Dance Songs" by Pink Floyd LOL 


I would dance on a lot of prog, like Magma and Zeuhl in general, or space rock like Hidria Spacefolk, Ozric Tentacles, etc. However I don't see these bands in concerts very often or they play in sitting venues (with chairs). That's not fun. And also, you never hear such stuff at the disco, and neither is it fun to play them at home for dancing.
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I spike their tea and then put some Gong on. No complaints! Mind you, most of my music listening mates are Space Rockers.

No. These days I mostly play my Prog in the car, so as to conceal my shameful passion. Ironically, however, I then proceed to blast it out at deafening volumes with the windows wide. Pedestrians get to be educated, and I don't have to listen to their bitchin'. A perfect arrangement.
 
I knew someone who regularly exposed his children's friends to Emerson, Lake and Palmer, but luckily Social Services stepped in.
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Originally posted by emdiar

I spike their tea and then put some Gong on. No complaints! Mind you, most of my music listening mates are Space Rockers.

No. These days I mostly play my Prog in the car, so as to conceal my shameful passion. Ironically, however, I then proceed to blast it out at deafening volumes with the windows wide. Pedestrians get to be educated, and I don't have to listen to their bitchin'. A perfect arrangement.
 
I knew someone who regularly exposed his children's friends to Emerson, Lake and Palmer, but luckily Social Services stepped in.
Thats a good father.LOL
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Originally posted by Manuel

Originally posted by npoczynek

One thing that bothers me - while we're on the subject of other peoples' reaction to prog music.

What is it with people that complain prog all sounds the same? I've been going through a big Marillion phase lately. I play it all the time and I know for a fact one of the guys I live with (the DT and PT fan) hears it all the time. But sometime's he'll walk into my room when I've got something completely different on and he always says something like "who's this? Marillion?" Then I told him about Transatlantic a couple of times and showed him some of their stuff (he's a Portnoy fan and is somewhat familiar with Nearl Morse). The next day I was playing Riverside and he asked me if it was Transatlantic.

Last time I went home I brought a Marillion DVD along with me and my mom started complaining that it all sounded "homogeneous, or a little monotonous". 

Most examples I have off the top of my head involve Marillion - maybe that says something about them instead of prog in general - but I still don't get it. 

It seems like if someone hears a couple layers of keyboards, vocals that catch them off-guard, or songs that go through a lot of changes, they just shut off their ears and regard it as noise. It's pretty frustrating.


One problem I find with almost everyone is that they don't really listen to the music. The vast majority of people just listen to the beat and the tune, and if it sounds catchy  they label it as a good song. Prog has to be listened to, to be understood, so you most focus on composition, arrangements, orchestration, etc. That seems to be too much for the average person, so they perceive as "it's all the same" mainly meaning "it's too much for me to comprehend it", or something similar.


 
Yeah... most people just listen to the beat and the melody, but they think the melody is only the singing voice... so, whenever I show a song to someone, they stares at me for about a complete minute or two and I can notice that their are getting bored because they don't listen any singer on it... then is the forced question... "does it an instrumental band...??" and I just tell them to wait... when they finally listen the singer their'e already bored so... is sad...
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They are never around. Cry


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I don't feel enough people understand the complexity of prog, arguably one of the most complex musical forms created.  Popular music like hip-hop, rap, country, pop, and alternative all have such simple and repetitive composition that few people know what good songwriting actually is.
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Be careful what you say about country, some of the best players in the world are country players. I seem to be the only country listener on this forum haha! And pop and hip-hop for that matter. Getting back on topic though, I live with some pretty cool housemates whom I have opened the floodgate of prog to, so listening to music collectively is not a problem, until I come in with my metal/country/hiphop/electronic/salsa/jazz/ other musical forms that suffer much criticism by the average person.
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I seem to be the only country listener on this forum haha! And pop and hip-hop for that matter. 


that seems to be the general atomsphere, but I for one listen to country, pop, hip-hop, and any other genre someone puts in front of me.  I try to dislike music based on whether I enjoy the specific artist or song, not based on the generalities or stereotypes of a genre
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