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    Posted: October 31 2009 at 19:31
This whole thread is based on the premisis that the "top 3" represent the 2009 charts. Actually when you look at the top 20 of this year, the picture totally changes. Even when you accept that the MoTW album is metal (which it isn't), there are only 5 metal albums, split over 3 subgenres in the top 20. Neo (2) +Symphonic (3) +Crossover (3) +Eclectic (3) are 11 albums. No way is metal taking over. 
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  Quote toolis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2009 at 19:48

i don't get the conclusion... it's the musicians that make the music.. the fact that they produce inspired music has nothing to do with the level of distortion on their amplifiers....
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  Quote birdwithteeth11 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2009 at 19:52
OMG METAL IS TAKING OVER ROCK NO MOAR GOOD ROCK WILL EVR EXIST AGAIN METAL IS TEH SUX0RZ I AM SO ELITIST LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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  Quote progkidjoel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2009 at 20:02
Originally posted by birdwithteeth11

OMG METAL IS TAKING OVER ROCK NO MOAR GOOD ROCK WILL EVR EXIST AGAIN METAL IS TEH SUX0RZ I AM SO ELITIST LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL




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  Quote Kashmir75 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2009 at 21:44
Am I the only guy who wasn't  disappointed by the new PT?
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  Quote stonebeard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2009 at 21:50
^ There might be a few others. I'm not one of them.

I think people like albums with interesting ideas. I'm assuming, against my intuition, that the recent Karmakanic album is one. Or people just upvote familiar stuff.

Or prog fans just like lots of notes, which is a very horrific insult.
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  Quote J-Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2009 at 22:31
Originally posted by Kashmir75

Am I the only guy who wasn't  disappointed by the new PT?


Possibly. To be honest, it's not a terrible album, and it does have quality moments. These are the reasons why I don't particularly are for it:
  1. Been there done that. It definitely doesn't add anything meaningful or different to PT's sound.
  2. It's not as good as other PT albums for sure.
  3. The "epic" is rather poor.
  4. I wasn't expecting too much of it anyway (I'm not a huge fan of PT), but lord how this album was hyped in the prog community! There must have been a new thread every day about The Incident, people ordered all of these deluxe editions, so of course they were expecting a 5-star album from all of this hype. When they get an album that isn't everything they expected, they are more dissapointed than they normally would have been.
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  Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2009 at 22:49
Although I've never been a fan of prog metal, those lovers of the other genres who might voice concern at what they see as 'metal infestation' will perhaps be better served to distil their fears in the discovery and addition of more non-metal bands to the site ?
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  Quote timothy leary Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 00:10
none of the top three albums is as good as kotebel "ouroboros"
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  Quote The Whistler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 00:17

Originally posted by MovingPictures07

I laugh at anyone who thinks Part the Second by motW is metal.

Seconded. 

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  Quote aspinosa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 00:18
I think that prog in the true sense of the word are dead , we only see now  metal , ambient music or clones of classical 60´s and 70´s bands, there won´t be anymore another band like Genesis, Pink Floyd , Yes as the same as Beethoven , Wagner and Stravinsky in classical music or Pelé in football. 
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  Quote Any Colour You Like Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 00:56
I laugh in the face of people who are not flexible enough to admit that the sound of music changes over time. It happens in prog as well as non prog. It just happens faster and more often in prog than other music genres. The fact that metal is becomming more prevalent in prog should be no different to the advent of the synth in early 1970's prog.
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  Quote progkidjoel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 01:04
Originally posted by The Whistler


Originally posted by MovingPictures07

I laugh at anyone who thinks Part the Second by motW is metal.

Seconded. 


Thirded


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  Quote Petrovsk Mizinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 01:40
Heh, I'm not a massive fan of the new Isis to be honest, WAY prefer Oceanic over Wavering Radiant.

On a more on topic related note, these kind of threads are just getting ridiculous, really.
Metal is "taking over", metal is "taking over prog and damaging it", "all metal has the same rhythms and phrases, accompaniments are very much the same".

You know, I could say the same thing about pretty much any genre of music that I've never bothered to look into in a great detail.
I can go and sl*g off Symph prog as always have the same cheesy synth accompaniments, I can accuse jazz fusion of being endless, mindless w**kage with random scales and modes just being thrown in for the sake of it or that all avant garde sounds like total noise because it's just a  bunch of guys recording the sounds of themselves taking a dump in a cardboard box with onions at the bottom.

But fortunately, I don't exactly have to resort to that kinda stuff, because my head is in fact, not stuck up my ass and I don't have to feel the need to constantly judge what I don't understand, but rather seek to understand what I'm interested in and leave it for other people to enjoy what they like instead of shoving it down their throats that they taste in music sucks or that what they listen to is "DAMAGING PORG ROCK OMGWTFBBQ".

I always tend to figure, the more time we spend trying to understand the differences between one another, and why we like different things, rather than being overly self obsessed (which seems to be a rather unfortunate inherent trait in too many humans on this planet), we'd probably spend far less time arguing over stupid crap.
I may be a metal fan, but I sure as hell know what a boring place this would be if everyone liked everything I liked and nothing else.

There are some great topics posted on PA, no doubt, but if truth be told, this is not one of them.
It's not a well thought topic at all on the part of the OP and judging by some of the responses so far, only seems to serve as a base for elitists who don't like metal to just come in and bash the genre at will for the sake of an ego boost.
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  Quote Marty McFly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 02:55
Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski

Heh, I'm not a massive fan of the new Isis to be honest, WAY prefer Oceanic over Wavering Radiant.

On a more on topic related note, these kind of threads are just getting ridiculous, really.
Metal is "taking over", metal is "taking over prog and damaging it", "all metal has the same rhythms and phrases, accompaniments are very much the same".

Angry I'm not saying anything of these

1)Metal isn't taking over, it's just in front and visible, that's ALL I'm saying

2)Ridiculous or not, it was meant to be JUST mention of this funny fact

3)And I NEVER said that metal is damaging prog. How could I when I said that I rated these mentioned three so well, it would be contradiction and I myself contributing to this damaging. I ENJOY metal. Even Maudlin isn't, but it's not typical symphonic prog too, so avant-garde, which suits me well.



So Mr. Mizinski, are you still referring to me, or just answering to posts that accumulated here ?

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4)This topic has its purpose, people can learn things here. I already did.



Edited by MartyMcFly89 - November 01 2009 at 02:58
1) Aargh, sig(h) ?

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  Quote el dingo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 06:53
Originally posted by progkidjoel

Originally posted by The Whistler


Originally posted by MovingPictures07

I laugh at anyone who thinks Part the Second by motW is metal.

Seconded. 


Thirded
 
Fourthed. Good album tho IMO
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  Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 07:15
Originally posted by el dingo

Originally posted by progkidjoel

Originally posted by The Whistler


Originally posted by MovingPictures07

I laugh at anyone who thinks Part the Second by motW is metal.

Seconded. 


Thirded
 
Fourthed. Good album tho IMO
 
Fifthed.
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  Quote Pekka Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 07:17
A very good post indeed mr. Mizinski Clap
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  Quote floydispink Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 07:18
Originally posted by someone_else

Originally posted by el dingo

Originally posted by progkidjoel

Originally posted by The Whistler


Originally posted by MovingPictures07

I laugh at anyone who thinks Part the Second by motW is metal.

Seconded. 


Thirded
 
Fourthed. Good album tho IMO
 
Fifthed.

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  Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2009 at 08:08
Metal has always been a part of prog, just not all prog, which anyway is not the case even today.  Songs like Return of the Giant Hogweed, 21st Century Schizoid Man, Red or Il Balletto Di Bronzo's Ys album, all these have definite metal elements.  Metal just got too extreme for a lot of people in the 80s, that's all.  By the way, I don't like a lot of prog metal, especially its more melodic side, but that's not because I consider metal too noisy or some such thing. 
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