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Henry Plainview 
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 Topic: Prog rock is deathPosted: November 03 2009 at 00:37 |
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There's a difference between the words "death" and "dead". :/
Besides that Part the Second is not a metal album, there are only two other metal albums in the top twenty, so I don't think it's a really valid sentiment.
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Conor Fynes on Miley Cyrus:
"Im suprised progheads insult her... Wasn't she that woman that did guest vocals on 'Coil' from Opeth's Watershed?" |
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kingfriso
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 05:10 |
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I'm 20 years old and came on this site when I got to know Arena. I've been collecting vinyl records for five years now and I completely gave up on modern prog. I prefer both the sound quality of the seventies vinyl and the bands that played at the time. If I listen to modern prog these days it's a sort of nostalgia.
My main problem with metal bands is that the 'loud parts' don't have any meaning, the music is just loud. More often then not the heavy sound is just there because of the heavy sound these bands want to have, not because of tensionbuilding or compositional concepts. This is quite strange, because the heavy metal sound isn't that beautifull or warm. |
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Manuel
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 09:04 |
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Every genre has its time, its golden era, and then becomes a secondary type of music. Just like jazz and blues, rock is now on the "past" section of popularity. This does not mean, however, that it will disappear, it will just remain a very influential force behind new music and styles, and many new bands will appear, but not to regains its popularity, just to maintain its existence.
One thing should be mentioned; as all other genres, many great bands will come in the future, since they will not have the pressure of commercial success, so they'll have the freedom to create the music they like, in the terms they choose, so we can look forward to great music, as has been the case with many other genres. |
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Dim
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 09:13 |
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jampa17
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Sorry body, but if you look for dramatic passages, then your point is right... but if you think that sometimes you have to make emphasis on something or want to use strengh to make a point, for that is the heavy parts, or when you want to go up and say something clear and loud... If you don't like metal, well, that's your taste but I really disagree with you, there's a lot of bands that uses the strengh of metal to make a point and uses the soft and melodic passages to make things a little dry you know... You've heard Paradise Lost of Symphony X... ??? the parts in which the devil speaks are really really heavy, mean, loud and in the parts where Adam speaks, everythings is so sad and melodic... then you have an example of using metal for the matter of composition... so, no... I don't agree with you at all... and I'm 24 years old... if that matters at all...
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"Pero aquí tenemos grande el corazón
Y nos brillan más los ojos que una estrella..." "Alux Nahual" |
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angelmk
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:47 |
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well... Can you define ''LOUD PARTS'' , did you mean distorsion, grawls .. ? it's way to represent ideas just as other genres of rock ..also there are many bands that combine heavily distorted parts and grawls with smooth acoustic passages and clean singing ..Metal is so diverse so you cannot define it just as LOUD or anything like that .. you obviously don't like metal that much..
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Marty McFly
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I once saw a joke (parody of famous punk saying): Death metal is not dead But to answer you, it's more like feeling, that metal is enjoying a lot of popularity these days. Look for past years, metal all time still favourite, since 80s.
Thanks that somebody said it for loud. Or should I say seconded ? :-D nope, I simply agree and I think it's opinion of many. Posts like this aren't useful at all.
But for sure, death metal is far less accessible genre than for example symphonic prog. I understand him, but am (this is what I don't like about metal, even it's hard to describe - like prog music after all) also aware that these are things that forms part of metal (maybe majority of). For example I can take most of prog metal bands, enjoy it and be satisfied. Same as with these newly coming jazz metal bands (I like this combination).
You know, I can't play guitar so much. But I'm trying to learn it (I once could play, when I was little kid, having lessons for few years, but then, I haven't practised it for 10 years now, not having enough devotion for it), I really want it, but can't concentrate, too much things to do. So is the situation same with prog genres. There are those that I like more: Symphonic prog Neo-Prog Prog-Folk Jazz Prog Eclectic and Crossover
OK, agreeing is good for me, but at least joining it with something new would be good for me :- /
OK, we were having nice discussion here, people provided interesting opinions, amongst them also you. I value these opinions, because I quite a struggle with this whole metal topic. So this thread helped me to look at things differently. And yeah, members of metal teams are very active, this is probably one of the reasons why at new additions, I see mostly metal (no offense intended, just I feel it that way, it looks like that - you know what I mean)
Not true at all lady and gentlemen ;-), quite opposite - it's a genre where I'm trying the most to see positives. |
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1) Aargh, sig(h) ?
50. place (230) reviews Nov, Friday 13, 2009 
STUDYING TO BECOME TEACHER, HEHE |
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jampa17
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 09:12 |
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You didn't answer my answers...
 I feel overlooked...
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"Pero aquí tenemos grande el corazón
Y nos brillan más los ojos que una estrella..." "Alux Nahual" |
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floydispink
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 10:03 |
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I agree with you that there are some metal bands out there that don't do anything new, and aren't experimenting very much. There are a pretty big amount of metal bands though, that do experiment with concepts, atmospheres, vocal techniques, instruments etc. Definitely many bands from the experimental/post-metal section of the site experiment a lot. For example by combining growls and distorted guitar playing with almost classical sounding piano playing or mysterious atmospheric sounds. There indeed is a lot of experimenting with unusual time signatures, but I don't see what's wrong with that. A heavy prog metal band like Opeth combines 70's prog with death metal, it sounds very original and good, not forced or anything. A band like Cynic experiments with vocals (like those or not, I do), Atheist combines death metal with jazz, and many other prog metal bands do in fact create their own sound. You're right about the lack of live improvisation of many bands though. But I don't really think there is lots of room for that during the extremely complicated riffs etc. There are a lot bands though that improvise the solos, which isn't less improvising than many older prog bands. I can see where your comment comes from, but I think you really haven't heard some metal bands that are in fact refreshing, original and experimental.
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jampa17
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 11:37 |
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Well, some people just listen to a heavy distorted guitar and stop listening... just like you said, there's a lot's of prog metal bands that really sound out of the box... I put a little example... Diablo Swing Orchestra is an impressive band, they mix jazz, tap, boogie and classic music with metal, and they really experiment with vocal and time signatures... so, if you put attention beyond the heavy riff you will find some nice and experimental music... but please, do not compare Tull with those, because your'e talking about 30 years of difference between them... with all respect, some Tull tunes might sound dated and bored, but that's just taste, if we talk about technic and originality, yeah, they were good... but can't be a measure line to the bands of today... |
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Silverbeard McStarr
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 12:54 |
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Only heard Part of the Second. And I wouldn't call it prog metal, some parts of it, maybe. But that's like calling Genesis a folk prog band, just because they used twelve stringed guitars.
But I think it's clear that metal is taking over prog rock. But that's just a "phase", and it seems as if regular prog rock is beginning to "rise" once again.
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), the only point at least I was agreeing with was that Part the Second is not a metal album. Of course there's metal in it and damn good metal at that. I'm like most posters here - my tastes are very wide and have developed/seesawed over the years.