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Poll Question: What overall effect do you think it's had on your PA experience?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:24
Originally posted by floydispink floydispink wrote:

So, I vote for positive. As I think although having some cons the active system works pretty fine and safe from trolls and nonsense reviews.
Previously, the collab reviews were all at the top, so that covers your sifting thing, and we have a pretty good system for getting rid of trolls and incoherent idiots.
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

I know the other review was written in 2004, but I still don't think thats fair. And also, I've seen the same thing happen with a lot of other reviews, where the reviews which took massively long are forced into the side column to make space for those which took less than 5 minutes, and in some of the very early cases, don't even make the 100 word minimum. 
Yeah, the reviews from 2004 are almost all terrible. The early collab reviews are particularly embarassing. It makes sense why the oldest would be shown first, but it doesn't create an aesthetically pleasing page.
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

I am a little perturbed by having to scroll right down past all the adverts, ebay and amazon etc., to actuallly get to the reviews...Ermm
That is also true, having to scroll past 3 screens of ads on the artist page and 2 screens on album pages is beyond annoying, but it seems like that won't be changing any time soon, so I didn't bother complaining about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 15:28
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by floydispink floydispink wrote:

So, I vote for positive. As I think although having some cons the active system works pretty fine and safe from trolls and nonsense reviews.
Previously, the collab reviews were all at the top, so that covers your sifting thing, and we have a pretty good system for getting rid of trolls and incoherent idiots.

Ah, I see. That indeed does sound like a better layout. Your right about the site getting rid of trolls, but there still are some reviews that don't give much insight to the music on the album at all, and basically are just ratings with some useless words added. 

There might be another problem though (I think). I don't know how big the site was back in the days of the old layout, and how many reviews there were, but I'm sure the site has grown ever since. It would become quite messy to have a page with over 800 full reviews of a popular album like Close To The Edge. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 15:37
Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

If you are not a Collaborator, there is no reason in the current system to put effort into a review of an album if not for your own satisfaction. Your opinion otherwise is nearly worthless.


Not true at all, I'll give you three
1.  because its fun
2.  to become a collaborator
3.  If you review albums that arent well known, then people will read your review
 
1. Is covered by "for your own satisfaction."
2. Being a prog reviewer doesn't carry much with it alone. You get recognized for your achivement, which makes you feel good ("for your own satisfaction.") Otherwise, it would make you a collab and have your review more visible, but that only matters now because of the hightened visibility of collab reviews. This problem could be null.
3. Not necessarily true, and even if so, that does not mean they won't think a little bit less of your review because it's not by a collab.
 
For the record, I was a collab for awhile when we first had genre specialists, but because of the questionable legal nature of streaming MP3s and videos (among other forum business) I decided to resign.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 18:10
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by rpe9p rpe9p wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

If you are not a Collaborator, there is no reason in the current system to put effort into a review of an album if not for your own satisfaction. Your opinion otherwise is nearly worthless.


Not true at all, I'll give you three
1.  because its fun
2.  to become a collaborator
3.  If you review albums that arent well known, then people will read your review
 
1. Is covered by "for your own satisfaction."
2. Being a prog reviewer doesn't carry much with it alone. You get recognized for your achivement, which makes you feel good ("for your own satisfaction.") Otherwise, it would make you a collab and have your review more visible, but that only matters now because of the hightened visibility of collab reviews. This problem could be null.
3. Not necessarily true, and even if so, that does not mean they won't think a little bit less of your review because it's not by a collab.
 
For the record, I was a collab for awhile when we first had genre specialists, but because of the questionable legal nature of streaming MP3s and videos (among other forum business) I decided to resign.


When I look at an album that has only 5 reviews and 4 are non-collaborators, you can bet I am going to read them.  People may think less of your review because you arent a collab, but often with good reason and you can convince them otherwise by writing something good.  I think the admins are just trying to make people's lives easier when searching for good reviews, just like members are trying to make people's lives easier by giving people a good review of the album.  I dont know what the old layout was like, but the current one is fine for me because I would want to look at the collab reviews first anyway
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 19:00
Originally posted by floydispink floydispink wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by floydispink floydispink wrote:

So, I vote for positive. As I think although having some cons the active system works pretty fine and safe from trolls and nonsense reviews.
Previously, the collab reviews were all at the top, so that covers your sifting thing, and we have a pretty good system for getting rid of trolls and incoherent idiots.

Ah, I see. That indeed does sound like a better layout. Your right about the site getting rid of trolls, but there still are some reviews that don't give much insight to the music on the album at all, and basically are just ratings with some useless words added. 

There might be another problem though (I think). I don't know how big the site was back in the days of the old layout, and how many reviews there were, but I'm sure the site has grown ever since. It would become quite messy to have a page with over 800 full reviews of a popular album like Close To The Edge. 

Well at some point you must have that full messy page, otherwise nobody will be able to read them. One solution would be to, for albums that have over 100 reviews, to only show the first 10 member reviews and then have a "More" button on the bottom to show the rest of them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 20:38
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

I do look at members' reviews if I'm not satisfied with Collab reviews. They come second though (or they don't come at all in the case of albums extensively reviewed by Collabs).

Should this be a negative or a positive vote?
I tend to agree with Alex here though I find I don't pay too much attention on the members reviews so much anymore, so the vote would be slightly negative from me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 21:31
I have no knowledge of how data can be organised for manipulation on a website  Embarrassedbut given that we can sort our own reviews into various formats from our member pages, could a facility exist where a visitor to the album pages might design their own preferred view i.e. to see all collab reviews or all member reviews by way of a drop down thingy ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 21:43
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I have no knowledge of how data can be organised for manipulation on a website  Embarrassedbut given that we can sort our own reviews into various formats from our member pages, could a facility exist where a visitor to the album pages might design their own preferred view i.e. to see all collab reviews or all member reviews by way of a drop down thingy ?
I am sure that one could store that preference with a cookie so that it applies to all pages you view, and I think that would be a good solution as well, although a little more labor intensive than just changing it for everybody.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 22:03
I like it, I don't really read many reviews, and I have written none, but there are a few reviewers that I like, and it makes it easy for me to see if they have written a review. I wouldn't like it as much if I were I did write reviews though, I'd be worried about nobody reading it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2009 at 09:54
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I have no knowledge of how data can be organised for manipulation on a website  Embarrassedbut given that we can sort our own reviews into various formats from our member pages, could a facility exist where a visitor to the album pages might design their own preferred view i.e. to see all collab reviews or all member reviews by way of a drop down thingy ?
I am sure that one could store that preference with a cookie so that it applies to all pages you view, and I think that would be a good solution as well, although a little more labor intensive than just changing it for everybody.
 
Interesting... I like more this idea... the cokie sounds good and let everybodys arrange it as they will... the problem is, will these people want to make all that work to actually do it...???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2009 at 18:52
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Example of one of my reviews:
This is mine - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=241824
 
Excellent review, Joel!
 
I voted for "Negative."  It takes too much work to be able to read a non-collab's full review:  you have to click on it, read the review, and then click the back button to get back to the main page.  I would much rather have a list of complete reviews with a "More" button at the bottom.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 12:09
Where's the difference? Never noticed. I'l lwrite one now and see if there's a difference.
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