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Quote ... ...realized that Dream Theater isn't as good as you always thought it was?
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Wow ... you really need a life!
 
Btw ... Dream Theater does not make music for YOU ... and if you don't like it exercise your democratic right ... buy something else!
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^ for the record moskito, I think you're one of the funniest posters on this board.
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This exact thing happened to me as soon as I got bored with their latest album. I used to thinkthey could do no wrong, but they have simply stopped making music that appeals to me. And I've worn out their catalogue for multiple years, that helps too.
 
There's a saying I quite like: As soon as you stop getting better, you stop being good.
 
I think it applies here. They've been releasing the same album for 10 years, as far as I'm concerned, ever since Rudess entered the fold. I still respect them, still love their best work....but I'm just not interested in listening to them nowadays.
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Points: 6802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 16:51
You can explain me please how Train of Thought and Octavarium are the same album...???!!! please, and how is that Systematic Chaos is the same that Black Clouds... please... don't tell me now that Forsaken sound the same than the Count of Tuscany... really... again... I understand that some wanted something more or many other are not metal fans and that's why DT do not appeal anymore to you... but... well... I'm with Moshkito here...

Edited by jampa17 - December 15 2009 at 16:52
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.....realized that in the middle of the night I ripped my speaker wires out from the back of the receiver.
What the heck, the hell. I remember hearing voices coming out of my speakers but I didn't think to turn OFF the darn thing   Hey, I was sleeping and the voices would'nt shut up!

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The only time that I would consider waking up and thinking about Dream Theater, would be if the world came round to spelling it proper like here in Canada - Dream Theatre .
But I'm pretty sure I would think of something else when I wake up - "hope there's no one in the bathroom!"
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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:33

Nice idea for a blues song.

I woke up this morning,
Realized DT wasn't what I thought
Woke up this morning,
Regretted all those albums I bought.
Gonna head on down to Rosedale,
Listen to some band that ain't overwrought.
 
(sorry 'bout that force last rhyme Wink)
 
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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

The only time that I would consider waking up and thinking about Dream Theater, would be if the world came round to spelling it proper like here in Canada - Dream Theatre .
But I'm pretty sure I would think of something else when I wake up - "hope there's no one in the bathroom!"




So should Megadeth be "Megadeath"??  If it's how the band spells it- that's how everyone should spell it.


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^Same with Lead Zeppelin and the Beetles. And Lincoln Park and Corn, and Limp Biscuit, etc.

DT are still great IMO. I went through a stage where I would listen to them every day over and over and I just got bored. But that isn't because I don't like them, its just that i've heard it so many times. Same thing happened with Led Zep and Maiden for me. 

The solution is to vary your playlist with other artists, so you don't get bored. If you don't listen to your DT for a few months, then play it again one day, it will sound as great as it did when you first heard it. 
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Originally posted by Kashmir75 Kashmir75 wrote:

^Same with Lead Zeppelin and the Beetles. And Lincoln Park and Corn, and Limp Biscuit, etc.

DT are still great IMO. I went through a stage where I would listen to them every day over and over and I just got bored. But that isn't because I don't like them, its just that i've heard it so many times. Same thing happened with Led Zep and Maiden for me. 

The solution is to vary your playlist with other artists, so you don't get bored. If you don't listen to your DT for a few months, then play it again one day, it will sound as great as it did when you first heard it. 


you're right- I knew there were tons of examples, but I couldnt think of anyLOL



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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

You can explain me please how Train of Thought and Octavarium are the same album...???!!! please, and how is that Systematic Chaos is the same that Black Clouds... please... don't tell me now that Forsaken sound the same than the Count of Tuscany... really... again... I understand that some wanted something more or many other are not metal fans and that's why DT do not appeal anymore to you... but... well... I'm with Moshkito here...
 
Yes, yes, ok, let me clear this up. Train of Thought and Octavarium are not the same album, you are correct. The Dream Theater sound, in general, has not changed over the years to my liking the way it did before SFAM. (And don't get me wrong...I've never been one of those "Kevin Moore" purist DT fans)
 
They all exhibit too much focus on virtuosity and not enough on songwriting. This is a trend that has doomed them. Their songs, in my opinion, have been growing weaker in general over the years. Listen to A Rite of Passage. It completely changes songs midway through so that it can fit in some solos. As a matter of fact, I would say that Wither is the only song on their latest album that does not sound stitched together from a bunch of unrelated riffs that the guys found in the studio. I readily admit, a bunch of these songs rock my socks off, but I can't help but feel that some of them are shallow and, dare I say it, uninspired. I feel they could do infinitely better.
 
You are bound to disagree, and I don't really care, but I would argue that any song from SFAM on could be switched over to any other album and still sound at home. I really like bands that go through audible progressions on each record.
 
So there's my DT rant for today Wink. Man, if I had a nickel for every DT-inspired internet flare-up I've seen....
 
And I'll still buy everything they put out, by the way.
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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Have you ever woken up in the morning and...


wondered where all of your hair went?   Yes, frequently.


(so much for maturity)
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Quote ... ...realized that Dream Theater isn't as good as you always thought it was?
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Wow ... you really need a life!
 
Btw ... Dream Theater does not make music for YOU ... and if you don't like it exercise your democratic right ... buy something else!
Wink Yeah - buy some Barry Manilow, listen to it for a bit (with a sick bucket handy - just in case) then re-listen to DT.....
My son usally puts it on (DT) when we're cleaning the kitchen after dinner...My Mrs refers to it as "NOISE".......then listens to WESTLIFE or the Carpenters......Dead
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Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Nice idea for a blues song.

I woke up this morning,
Realized DT wasn't what I thought
Woke up this morning,
Regretted all those albums I bought.
Gonna head on down to Rosedale,
Listen to some band that ain't overwrought.
 
(sorry 'bout that force last rhyme Wink)
 

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How did I not see this thread's direction coming?


Regardless, when I was at school yesterday, I wrote up 50 reasons as to why Dream Theater suck outright.  It was deleted when I pressed "post reply" and I got a 404 (due to PA just timing out.  This site is hosted on terrible servers).

I'm really annoyed by that, because it was a really good list.


Edited by Nightshine - December 16 2009 at 08:04
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Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

I myself am not a huge metal fan. However, I think that the genre isn't dead as long as bands like Gojira and Isis are still putting out albums. Just a side curiosity: what did you think of Wavering Radiant?

As for musical virtuosity, I really have no problems with exceptionally talented musicians showing off, if it works creatively with the rest of the song. However, there seems to be a tendency on this site to assume virtuosity = creativity. Which leads, unfortunately, to a TON of bands whose only claim to the "progressive" label is their willingness to perform voodoo rituals on the skeletal remains of the classic seventies prog sound.



Strangely enough, your last sentence describes the sort of music that appeals to me most.  To each his own I guess.

As to DT, I've never been much of a fan.  I agree with those who say their songwriting is just not there, and they lean to much on their technical abilities.  But I still enjoy a lot of it, just not on a regular basis.  But I've gotten tired of many bands I loved.  Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd, etc.  I wouldn't say I've grown out of them, just that I've tired of hearing music that I can run though note for note in my head without even putting on a CD.  It's just become TOO familiar I guess.  It happens.
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Originally posted by fighting sleep fighting sleep wrote:

...realized that Dream Theater isn't as good as you always thought it was?

I had this strange discomforting realization a little while back, and have been contemplating the money I wasted on this band that for some reason I cannot bring myself to listen to anymore.

What has happened here? Why can't I revel in the cheese of Scenes From A Memory anymore? Not only that, but when Dream Theater vacated the apple of my eye, they took with them Ayreon, Symphony X, and Phideaux.

The only word that comes to mind is: maturity. Ideas and opinions change in time. After all, these were the bands that I leapt for and eagerly drank in when I first became acquainted with prog rock a few years ago. They weren't all I was listening to, of course, but for a while there, I really loved a lot of these cheesy bands.

However, it now baffles me the quantity of cheesy bands populating this site (mostly in the progressive metal section...). In fact, it almost seems to me that the popularity of bands on this site is a microcosm of popularity in mainstream music; all of the bands that languish in old ideas and creative stagnancy (I'm thinking especially of Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater) are inevitably some of the most popular and idiosyncratic in the prog genre.

Ideas, opinions? Am I talking out of my ass? Has this sort of "awakening" happened to anyone else?
  I'm really not sure how many times this has been done, I think I'll start counting
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Originally posted by Tarquin Underspoon Tarquin Underspoon wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

You can explain me please how Train of Thought and Octavarium are the same album...???!!! please, and how is that Systematic Chaos is the same that Black Clouds... please... don't tell me now that Forsaken sound the same than the Count of Tuscany... really... again... I understand that some wanted something more or many other are not metal fans and that's why DT do not appeal anymore to you... but... well... I'm with Moshkito here...
 
Yes, yes, ok, let me clear this up. Train of Thought and Octavarium are not the same album, you are correct. The Dream Theater sound, in general, has not changed over the years to my liking the way it did before SFAM. (And don't get me wrong...I've never been one of those "Kevin Moore" purist DT fans)
 
They all exhibit too much focus on virtuosity and not enough on songwriting. This is a trend that has doomed them. Their songs, in my opinion, have been growing weaker in general over the years. Listen to A Rite of Passage. It completely changes songs midway through so that it can fit in some solos. As a matter of fact, I would say that Wither is the only song on their latest album that does not sound stitched together from a bunch of unrelated riffs that the guys found in the studio. I readily admit, a bunch of these songs rock my socks off, but I can't help but feel that some of them are shallow and, dare I say it, uninspired. I feel they could do infinitely better.
 
You are bound to disagree, and I don't really care, but I would argue that any song from SFAM on could be switched over to any other album and still sound at home. I really like bands that go through audible progressions on each record.
 
So there's my DT rant for today Wink. Man, if I had a nickel for every DT-inspired internet flare-up I've seen....
 
And I'll still buy everything they put out, by the way.
 
Well... I agree with you that they are a little less inspired this days... but I think that we as fans are getting older and them too... so, some people here wishes to they bring out another masterpiece but you are not aloud to feel it as back in the middle 90's... I think nostalgy and the high quality they input on themselves makes most people angry... but, I don't think that a song from SFAM could fit well in Systematic Chaos or even Six Degrees... but well, this is a matter of taste, and the interesting thing is that DT is still growing on new fans, so many of the younger fans consider the last two albums as masterpieces, you can see it on the reviews... so... I think younger people are less exigent with them than us... but hell.. if I had a nicke for every hateful post about DT..
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Seems like DT has a great ability to raise those negative thoughts wherever mentioned.. Someone always notifies how he/she just can't stand it. Well, anyone has a right to speak so.. anyway, I don't think I will ever stop liking things like Awake, I&W and some songs from Falling Into Infinity. DT has also made some very nice and enjoyable songs with Rudess, that I haven't been bored with even after dozens of listens (These Walls, Glass Prison, Disappear, Sacrificed Sons etc.) I think that DT is basically some awesome musicians creating a huge bunch of different ideas, sometimes fresh and sometimes not, and trying to fit them into a song. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. And when it does, the outcome is usually something pretty amazing. 
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