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    Posted: May 19 2005 at 12:00

 

Keith Emerson composed and performed an actual classical Piano Concerto in the 1977 album Works Vol. I, heavily influenced by his favourite 20th century classical composers, such as Prokofiev and Bartok, what do you think about ?

It was a great idea or a silly attempt to explore forbidden (for him) territories ?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 12:23
I like it a lot. Keith was classically trained, so I see him as pursuing one of his favorite styles of music and doing it very well. He's a gifted composer. If he put out an album of just this sort of stuff, I'd buy it in a second.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 13:45
I like it alot to. I believe that hes writing his second Concerto!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:14

 

If you compare his composition to the concerts of the musicians who inspired him, honestly the work appears to be puerile (the orchestration was made by a exeperienced conductor because he was not able to make it by himself), but if you consider that Keith Emerson is not a classical pianist and doesn't have the long ad hard studies needed i think he should be praised for his courage.

Seen by the side of prog rock he made a good job.

If he's really working on a second concert (considering all the years passed by), maybe it will be better than the first... i'd like to listen to it !

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:18
Originally posted by ita_prog_fan ita_prog_fan wrote:

 

If you compare his composition to the concerts of the musicians who inspired him, honestly the work appears to be puerile (the orchestration was made by a exeperienced conductor because he was not able to make it by himself), but if you consider that Keith Emerson is not a classical pianist and doesn't have the long ad hard studies needed i think he should be praised for his courage.

Seen by the side of prog rock he made a good job.

If he's really working on a second concert (considering all the years passed by), maybe it will be better than the first... i'd like to listen to it !

 

 

Okay, I'll take the bait...What makes Keith's concerto "puerile"? I've heard the classic composers pieces (granted I didn't formally study them) and they don't sound any more "mature" or "non-puerile" than Keith's. So please, educate me, what am I not hearing that makes it substandard?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:20

Actually if you knew anything about it or Keith's background, you'd know that its more influenced by his other favorite American composer, Aaron Copland.  Listen to Copland's "Appalachian Spring" and you'll see what I mean.

I think its a very beautiful piece of music.  Its on my turntable at home right now.  Its very soothing (even that 3rd movement).  If you didn't know, the first two movements of that concerto were written before his house burned down... the last one afterwards.  You can definitely feel the change in emotion from the 2nd to 3rd movement.

Also on the Works tour when they had the orchestra, the entire concerto was played.  After week two when the orchestra left... the only part that Keith continued to play in concert was the 3rd movement...

There's a re-recorded version of the 3rd movement on his new cd out now called Hammer It Out.  The third movement is listed as the "Rock version"... I haven't heard it yet, but I understand its got a whole different personality.. so I'm now waiting for my copy in the mail...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:23

Here's a recent performance of Emerson's Piano ConcertoWink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:25
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Here's a recent performance of Emerson's Piano ConcertoWink

Ah yes, one of the piece's most delicate passges....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:26

BTW Carl Palmer had written a percussion concerto for the Works project, but was never released at the time. It eventually emerged on Palmers retrospective "Do ya wanna play Carl?" album. I love it!!!!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:28
Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Here's a recent performance of Emerson's Piano ConcertoWink

Ah yes, one of the piece's most delicate passges....

I'll stick that hammer up Tony R's most delicate passage!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:29

Well evidently some think its rateable.. the Australian Symphony Orchestra in Adelaide performed it as part of their program last year.  And I listened to their version.. and that made me cringe... so I'd much rather hear Keith do it.... a million times more.

He's been writing the second piano concerto for over 15 years now... don't doubt that its not finished... he's just having a few problems lately with sharing... 

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

BTW Carl Palmer had written a percussion concerto for the Works project, but was never released at the time. It eventually emerged on Palmers retrospective "Do ya wanna play Carl?" album. I love it!!!!!!!

Actually I really love it too... its marvelous!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:32
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Okay, I'll take the bait...What makes Keith's concerto "puerile"? I've heard the classic composers pieces (granted I didn't formally study them) and they don't sound any more "mature" or "non-puerile" than Keith's. So please, educate me, what am I not hearing that makes it substandard?

I really dont' want to educate you... or anyone else.

But if you want some details... here they are !

Style is incertain; themes are poorly developed or not developed at all (in some section is resembles Mozart's Musical Joke in F maj. dedicated to improvised composers); some musical gestures has been taken as they are form the composers i named before and simply put in the concert...

But, as i said before, Keith is NOT a classical composer either a classical painist, so it was good enough.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:35
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Here's a recent performance of Emerson's Piano ConcertoWink

Is the one with big hammer the spirit of Bela Bartok ???? 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:39
Originally posted by ita_prog_fan ita_prog_fan wrote:

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Okay, I'll take the bait...What makes Keith's concerto "puerile"? I've heard the classic composers pieces (granted I didn't formally study them) and they don't sound any more "mature" or "non-puerile" than Keith's. So please, educate me, what am I not hearing that makes it substandard?

I really dont' want to educate you... or anyone else.

But if you want some details... here they are !

Style is incertain; themes are poorly developed or not developed at all (in some section is resembles Mozart's Musical Joke in F maj. dedicated to improvised composers); some musical gestures has been taken as they are form the composers i named before and simply put in the concert...

But, as i said before, Keith is NOT a classical composer either a classical painist, so it was good enough.

Again, who are you to say it was poorly developed or not developed at all... it not your taste that Keith set out to appease... it was his own!  He thought it was grand... and we all thought it was marvelous and completed,  By the way, I found no relation in sound or gesture to Mozart... and you didn't recognize Copland.... so I'm not impressed by your comments...

Just MHO...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:48
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by ita_prog_fan ita_prog_fan wrote:

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Okay, I'll take the bait...What makes Keith's concerto "puerile"? I've heard the classic composers pieces (granted I didn't formally study them) and they don't sound any more "mature" or "non-puerile" than Keith's. So please, educate me, what am I not hearing that makes it substandard?

I really dont' want to educate you... or anyone else.

But if you want some details... here they are !

Style is incertain; themes are poorly developed or not developed at all (in some section is resembles Mozart's Musical Joke in F maj. dedicated to improvised composers); some musical gestures has been taken as they are form the composers i named before and simply put in the concert...

But, as i said before, Keith is NOT a classical composer either a classical painist, so it was good enough.

Again, who are you to say it was poorly developed or not developed at all... it not your taste that Keith set out to appease... it was his own!  He thought it was grand... and we all thought it was marvelous and completed,  By the way, I found no relation in sound or gesture to Mozart... and you didn't recognize Copland.... so I'm not impressed by your comments...

Just MHO...

It resambles Mozart's Musical Joke in (no)structure, not in sound... and there isn't much Copland in the concert but, for example, a large use of Prokofiev, especially in the third movement.

One last thing, can you please tell me what is "MHO" ?  An insult ?     

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:50
I believe Emerson was inspired to write some of it as he watched his house burn down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:51

 

thank you

and i've never said i don't like it !!!!!!!!!!

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:57

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I believe Emerson was inspired to write some of it as he watched his house burn down.

Actually the third movement is marked "Toccata con Fuoco"

 

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