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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 08:58
Yes man... you should try O.S.I. is not as complex as DT but is very heavy and has the ambience trademark from Kevin Moore... check it out man... is one of my fav. bands right now...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 21:48
Now, this sounds promising. DT's complex parts may be cool, but can also get a bit tedious, and even though I'm not sure whom I prefer with DT between Moore and Rudess (I think Rudess fits the band better), I certainly miss Moore's melodies and ambience.
     Damn, you just added a few albums to my list of To-Get albums... I can't see an end to it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 23:06
Oh, I just checked their first album track list and the limited edition's got a cover of Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun, which makes it all the cooler... any chance there's still limited edition CD's available from 2003?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 08:55
Yes there are in Amazon... and it's expensive but it totally worth it man... that particular album has maybe one of the best cover arts that I've in all my life... that version is incredible brilliant and is the first time Moore and Portnoy work together since Moore departure... go.. go now and get it...!!! Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 10:01
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Oh, I just checked their first album track list and the limited edition's got a cover of Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun, which makes it all the cooler... any chance there's still limited edition CD's available from 2003?
 
Yes...I just bought a copy of this very CD from Ebay a couple months ago for under $15...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 10:40
Originally posted by Pelata Pelata wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Oh, I just checked their first album track list and the limited edition's got a cover of Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun, which makes it all the cooler... any chance there's still limited edition CD's available from 2003?
 
Yes...I just bought a copy of this very CD from Ebay a couple months ago for under $15...
 
Really...??? I spend like $25 on it... lucky you man...!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:20
I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater.  I think now it's never going to happen.  Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law.  I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities.  So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal).  It wasn't an argument or anything.  I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me.  In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can.  He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
 
Well, I did not get turned around.  An interesting thing did happen though.  Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player.  A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed.  Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot.  I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore.  A moment later I found out he left the band after that album.  I thought, well, now I really like this guy. LOL  Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now.
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:27
Originally posted by Pelata Pelata wrote:

Yes...I just bought a copy of this very CD from Ebay a couple months ago for under $15...
I buy almost all my CD's from e-Bay.......yes I know most are probably re-issues or overstocks....But I have yet to be screwed. I bought a bunch of Rush remaster discs for $5 each...and free shipping.
If you have the patience to scroll thru all the pages of CD's for sale, usually it pays off with a deal here and there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:34
Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater.  I think now it's never going to happen.  Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law.  I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities.  So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal).  It wasn't an argument or anything.  I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me.  In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can.  He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
 
Well, I did not get turned around.  An interesting thing did happen though.  Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player.  A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed.  Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot.  I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore.  A moment later I found out he left the band after that album.  I thought, well, now I really like this guy. LOL  Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now.
 
 
Interesting man...!!! Nice story... and that's how it works... through Dream Theater I have get to many many different projects and Chroma Key is one of my favorites... without a doubt...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:36
Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater.  I think now it's never going to happen.  Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law.  I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities.  So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal).  It wasn't an argument or anything.  I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me.  In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can.  He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
 
Well, I did not get turned around.  An interesting thing did happen though.  Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player.  A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed.  Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot.  I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore.  A moment later I found out he left the band after that album.  I thought, well, now I really like this guy. LOL  Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now.
 
  Train of Thought is pretty heavy hard prog metal.."As I Am" leads into the thunderous "This Dying Soul"...... If ur not into heavy metal then bad choice to listen to is Train of Thought. Metropolis Part 2 and Octavarium not as hard metal....Try those out. Systematic Chaos has some hard metal songs too......I really think this is one of DT better albums, most do not agree though. IMHO
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 15:05
Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater.  I think now it's never going to happen.  Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law.  I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities.  So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal).  It wasn't an argument or anything.  I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me.  In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can.  He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
 
Well, I did not get turned around.  An interesting thing did happen though.  Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player.  A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed.  Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot.  I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore.  A moment later I found out he left the band after that album.  I thought, well, now I really like this guy. LOL  Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now.
 
 
If Awake did not make you a DT fan, nothing will...
 
But, if you listen to "Space Dye Vest" on Awake, you can hear the beginnings of Chroma Key...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 15:06
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Pelata Pelata wrote:

Yes...I just bought a copy of this very CD from Ebay a couple months ago for under $15...
I buy almost all my CD's from e-Bay.......yes I know most are probably re-issues or overstocks....But I have yet to be screwed. I bought a bunch of Rush remaster discs for $5 each...and free shipping.
If you have the patience to scroll thru all the pages of CD's for sale, usually it pays off with a deal here and there.
 
Yup...I was stoked when I found that OSI...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 15:09
Originally posted by Pelata Pelata wrote:

Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater.  I think now it's never going to happen.  Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law.  I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities.  So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal).  It wasn't an argument or anything.  I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me.  In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can.  He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
 
Well, I did not get turned around.  An interesting thing did happen though.  Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player.  A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed.  Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot.  I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore.  A moment later I found out he left the band after that album.  I thought, well, now I really like this guy. LOL  Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now.
 
 
If Awake did not make you a DT fan, nothing will...
 
But, if you listen to "Space Dye Vest" on Awake, you can hear the beginnings of Chroma Key...
Absolutely, I did notice that.  And it's another DT song I brushed up against liking.LOL  It's funny too, because that sort of thing - the Chroma Key kind of thing - is not really what you'd call in my prog wheelhouse.  Welp, momma always said you can't account for taste.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 16:36
Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

Originally posted by Pelata Pelata wrote:

Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

I'm one of those prog fans who just does not like Dream Theater.  I think now it's never going to happen.  Over the holidays I was talking with my bro-in-law.  I got on the subject of my own recent prog-music activities.  So he brought up DT, which he's very into (he's into lots of metal).  It wasn't an argument or anything.  I liked that he felt so strongly about their merits, which frankly had always been lost on me.  In fact I asked him to help me give them another shot; recommend some albums of theirs and I'd promise to give them a close listen, be fair as I can.  He loaned me Awake and Train of Thought.
 
Well, I did not get turned around.  An interesting thing did happen though.  Before even finishing track one (which was "6:00" off Awake) I very quickly noticed that I liked the keyboard player.  A few more songs went by and my impressiion was confirmed.  Here was somebody above the rest of all that jittery lot.  I turned to progarchives to learn it was this fellow Kevin Moore.  A moment later I found out he left the band after that album.  I thought, well, now I really like this guy. LOL  Next thing I know I learn of Chroma Key, borrowed You Go Now and, well, there you go now.
 
 
If Awake did not make you a DT fan, nothing will...
 
But, if you listen to "Space Dye Vest" on Awake, you can hear the beginnings of Chroma Key...
Absolutely, I did notice that.  And it's another DT song I brushed up against liking.LOL  It's funny too, because that sort of thing - the Chroma Key kind of thing - is not really what you'd call in my prog wheelhouse.  Welp, momma always said you can't account for taste.
 
Did you like Wait for Sleep as well...??? I love that song... it always makes me wish to be "within the ashes or up with the smoke from the fire..."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 17:59
^^  Oy, what are you trying to do, make me listen to that again.  Eeeeeasy DT boy! LOLLOL

Alright already.  I can't remember that song, so I'll take another look see.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 19:27
Yeah, Wait for Sleep and Space Dye Vest are quite possibly Moore's best DT compositions. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 21:26
Indeed those are my favourite Moore's moments in DT, and I wish there was more of that on DT (or perhaps Chroma Key or OSI). By the way, wait for sleep is a short song on Images and Words (American Khatru might just as well have missed that point), and it's a short song with no metal whatsoever (not really common on DT), so he might just as well like that one. I'm guessing you (American Khatru) don't like metal, and in that case DT certainly won't be for you (and Awake and Train of Thought were very poor choices to try to make you like it). It may be a lost cause, but I'm guessing Octavarium may be a song you could like if you're willing to give it another try, though it gets a bit heavier at the end, also disc two from 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence might be a good choice (but disc 1 would surely be rather heavy).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2010 at 05:25
Thanks Dell.  Just so you understand... I don't have any issue with heavy, I guess it's just how you define it.  I'm not per se into what's called 'heavy metal'.  But, just to go with some old chestnuts for reference, I love Deep Purple, Black Sabbath (when they're actually good, let's face it) and Led Zeppelin, which are all heavy, grew up on them right along side the prog.  I love KC and Tull and ELP, in their many moments, which include the heavy.  I throw down with some Throbbing Gristle or Univers Zero any day, get into the crazy side of RPI, like Cervello, get into the jocular side of rock and roll, like BÖC.  But that 'metal thing', the requisite chung-chung-chung-chung-CHUNK choked fifth on the guitar, with runs of notes flying up and down the neck in that (typically) one distorted sound, I was just never ever into that.

I don't knock it as a legitimate crux of a style of music though, just not for me.  The 'chunk' and that style of riff and that cage-based drumming (I'm throwing down lots of labels here for quick description, please don't anyone get up in arms) all serve as a basis for an exploration outward - which of course is where the progginess comes in, to coin a phrase - just as well as, say, a quote of a classical piece, like the use of Brahms in Quella Vecchia Locanda.  I guess you can say my style of prog pulls from jazz, folk, classical and maybe blues influences.  There are of course occasional exceptions.

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Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

Thanks Dell.  Just so you understand... I don't have any issue with heavy, I guess it's just how you define it.  I'm not per se into what's called 'heavy metal'.  But, just to go with some old chestnuts for reference, I love Deep Purple, Black Sabbath (when they're actually good, let's face it) and Led Zeppelin, which are all heavy, grew up on them right along side the prog.  I love KC and Tull and ELP, in their many moments, which include the heavy.  I throw down with some Throbbing Gristle or Univers Zero any day, get into the crazy side of RPI, like Cervello, get into the jocular side of rock and roll, like BÖC.  But that 'metal thing', the requisite chung-chung-chung-chung-CHUNK choked fifth on the guitar, with runs of notes flying up and down the neck in that (typically) one distorted sound, I was just never ever into that.

I don't knock it as a legitimate crux of a style of music though, just not for me.  The 'chunk' and that style of riff and that cage-based drumming (I'm throwing down lots of labels here for quick description, please don't anyone get up in arms) all serve as a basis for an exploration outward - which of course is where the progginess comes in, to coin a phrase - just as well as, say, a quote of a classical piece, like the use of Brahms in Quella Vecchia Locanda.  I guess you can say my style of prog pulls from jazz, folk, classical and maybe blues influences.  There are of course occasional exceptions.

  Nice!! DT is about as hard metal as I get.....If I hear the same style of music but say with a more growling volcals or harder screaming, then I get turned off quickly. Of course cannot handle screamo/speed metal stuff...my kids like that Bullet For My Valentine, Atreyu, blessthefall...I call teeny-bopper metal.
So LaBrie makes it for me.......
I too grew up on "classic rock" mentioned above.....Although my personal opinion is that Led Zepp is a "blues band with severe attitude" ............. I don't consider Zepp metal or really hard rock. IMHO
 
 
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Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

Thanks Dell.  Just so you understand... I don't have any issue with heavy, I guess it's just how you define it.  I'm not per se into what's called 'heavy metal'.  But, just to go with some old chestnuts for reference, I love Deep Purple, Black Sabbath (when they're actually good, let's face it) and Led Zeppelin, which are all heavy, grew up on them right along side the prog.  I love KC and Tull and ELP, in their many moments, which include the heavy.  I throw down with some Throbbing Gristle or Univers Zero any day, get into the crazy side of RPI, like Cervello, get into the jocular side of rock and roll, like BÖC.  But that 'metal thing', the requisite chung-chung-chung-chung-CHUNK choked fifth on the guitar, with runs of notes flying up and down the neck in that (typically) one distorted sound, I was just never ever into that.I don't knock it as a legitimate crux of a style of music though, just not for me.  The 'chunk' and that style of riff and that cage-based drumming (I'm throwing down lots of labels here for quick description, please don't anyone get up in arms) all serve as a basis for an exploration outward - which of course is where the progginess comes in, to coin a phrase - just as well as, say, a quote of a classical piece, like the use of Brahms in Quella Vecchia Locanda.  I guess you can say my style of prog pulls from jazz, folk, classical and maybe blues influences.  There are of course occasional exceptions.


     Sorry, ofcourse by "Heavy" I meant "Heavy Metal" of the sort of Metallica and so on. I wasn't even born yet by the time of Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc, so for me they aren't heavy, just something like "Hard Rock", I don't know... however I did remember you liked music not so soft (well, to like prog you must like music that's not soft). However, those pieces I mentioned contain very little or nothing of the tipical "Metal thing" or sound, of the guitar, though they may get Wacky in a proggy kind of way, that's why I thought you could give them a listen.
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