Squarepusher

idiotPrayer wrote: catfood03 wrote: I want Autechre on PA!!!   "Untilted" is very prog (long track lengths, multi-sectional compositions, shifting melodies). I'm really surprised The Orb hasn't made it here yet.  Pink Floydian/dub/ambient/electronic bliss! ^I completely agree. Quaristice is also a magnificent piece of music.

Well, I don't intend for Autechre fans to crash Squarepusher's party here.

"Oversteps" in March! Woo-hoo!

Another link to prog for Squarepusher is that his live touring band drummer has been working (on and off) with Jem Godfrey of Frost*

I want Autechre on PA!!!   "Untilted" is very prog (long track lengths, multi-sectional compositions, shifting melodies).

I'm really surprised The Orb hasn't made it here yet.  Pink Floydian/dub/ambient/electronic bliss!

Henry Plainview wrote: I'm not going to claim to be an expert, but as far as I know there's not much rock in Klaus Schulze or Brian Eno, either...

Or, to be honest, in Genesis during their Prog heyday either. I've always said that the "Rock" part of "Progressive Rock" had very little bearing on the original bands that formed the genre, with the exception maybe of Kansas, early Tull and, to a lesser extent, ELP. Considering that the very basis of Rock is pentatonic Blues and that most classic Prog is 90% modal, I find the argument that Rock should be a component utterly ridiculous. Granted, the majority of modern Prog leans towards Rock, largely due to the influence of Spock's Beard and Dream Theater, but I see that as a dilution of Prog, rather than a strengthening of it. Rock Prog is a valid style, but it isn't really what Prog was when it first began, and I think more people should acknowledge this.

I'm glad to see Squarepusher on here, though. I've been championing him to Prog fans since Hard Normal Daddy completely floored me in 1997. But, I can see why this doesn't automatically lead to the inclusion of Aphex Twin, and the main difference is one of musicality. AT is very experimental when it comes to sound, structure and arrangement, but I feel that Prog of any stripe has to have a strong underpinning of musicality (if not necessarily musical theory), something Tom "Squarepusher" Jenkinson has miles more of than Richard "Aphex Twin" James in my estimation.

For sure, it is always question of taste. But if you want to have real opinion, it is not enough just to listen some samples (especially in case as Squarepusher). Take full album (I can recommend 'Hard Normal Daddy' ), listen it without prediction few times, than you will know, like you it or not.

I think the borderline goes between musicians ,playing live using different instruments (keys,synths or lap-tops) from one side, and engineers, using their devices for recording the music. I agree that sometimes this line is very thin, but it always egzists.

SergiUriah wrote: There are many works in the electronica scene from ancient ProgMasters, as Peter Gabriel in some tunes and collaborations, but I think this band it´s just not PROG.   It´s a humble opinion.

I can correct possibly a bit - Squarepusher is not a prog of 70-s, it's true. But in this life (like we that or not) things are changing. Some name it evolution, doesn't matter. Some guys from PA will say you Dream Theater and PT both aren't same prog as it was long ago. But it is prog, possibly different from some other it's forms.

The Pessimist wrote: As far as the whole Aphex twin thing goes, I'd also like to see Venetian Snares and The Flashbulb here as well. But as far as our opinions go, the Electronic Team do know what they are doing, have been doing it for a very long time, and whatever they say goes really. There is no use debating it unless for fun. They have stated their reasons, and Progressive Electronic doesn't refer to "any electronic music that is progressive", but the guidelines are way more specific than that and have been from the beginning.If these artists are going to be included, then we'd have to create a new subgenre, as they don't fit in anywhere. the reason I suggested Squarepusher was purely because a few of his albums are purely Jazz Fusion. There is nothing IDM related in the inclusion.Also, endorsing Trouserpress's comment, SP is actually the only real "Rock" style of IDM on my iPod, I don't know about anyone else. Hence why he fits in here. Aphex Twin, Venetian Snares, Blaerg, the Flashbulb and the myriad of other progressive/experimental IDM artists out there are nowhere near rock, therefore, why should they be on a Prog Rock site? SP are very rock based, therefore they are here.Anyone from the JR team want to either correct me or back me up would be very much appreciated

Hi ... I'm on the JR team (straightens beret).
ahem .. Squarepusher was added to JR over someone like Aphex because Square is a musician, (as opposed to programmer/DJ), Square works with other JR musicians and can play his music live if he so chooses etc.

Having said that I do support some of the current electronica scene for PA, but let's break this down.

1) I think we should leave our current electronic genre as is, there is a very clear and consistent vision of what they want prog-electro to be and it doesn't include drum machines and I am OK with that.

So keeping in mind that we wouldn't alter our current electro genre:

2) The main electronica bands I wouldn't mind seeing on PA (possibly in a whole new PA genre) are those that play live as bands and have classic prog type attributes ie arrangements etc. Some bands like this include STS9 and Pnuma Trio, but there are more.

3) Different from that group, because their music isn't necessarily played live, is Aphex Twin, V Snares, FSOL etc. I suppose groups 2 and 3 could be combined in some new kind of genre, whatever.

Anyway, what I am saying is we might want to consider groups 2 and 3 separately as they are somewhat different to me.

Anyway, this is just my solicited two cents worth. If enough of you are really serious about getting the site to consider another genre. Then start a thread to that effect, possibly in the CZ, and let's see what people have to say.

P.S. Brian Eno can't rock??? King's Lead Hat was a poker in the fire ...

Edited by Easy Money - February 11 2010 at 22:38

^ The first YouTube sample in the first post is jazz rock fusion like it was made in the 70s.

Trouserpress wrote: Much as I hate getting involved in these endless debates about who should/shouldn't be included in the archives, isn't the reason for Aphex Twin et. al. getting 'overlooked' the total absence of a rock element to their music? This is a Progressive Rock site (albeit with a pretty broad and inclusive interpretation of that term), rather than an all-out progressive music site.

I'm not going to claim to be an expert, but as far as I know there's not much rock in Klaus Schulze or Brian Eno, either...